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sweens308
Don't know if anyone saw GTV Nutter's post on this post last Friday http://forum.alfa145.com/index.php?showtopic=7524.

As Joel has pointed out, the dates for a proposed return in September are pretty hopeless. There is just no decent time available at all!!

So for anyone who didn't see this earlier post, the dates proposed seem pretty good.

For anyone else who may be interested (I've 'penciled myself in', provisionally as well smile.gif ) the opening hours and suggested travel times are as follows:-

Sat 30/09/06 - 18.30-19.30
Sun 01/10/06 - 08.00-19.30
Mon 02/10/06 - 13.00-19.30
Tue 03/10/06 - 08.00-19.30

The proposed 'travel out on the Saturday, return on the Wednesday' arrangement sounds good to me and allows for plenty of track time......as it's not over a full weekend and slightly off-season, it should be quiet on the Monday & Tuesday too!

Anyway.........food for thought.

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F355
As I said on MSN, pencil me in. Sounds good to me as long as I have the pennies.
CTRdude
Am digesting the food.
hazeyblue
Sounds good, get back to you Paul... coolio.gif
bobda
Booooooo, too close to me returning from Africa to be able to afford it.

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AJ
Very interested, dependent on when I move and how much dinero is left...
Dogbreath
QUOTE(AJ @ Jul 4 2006, 07:00 AM) *
Very interested, dependent on when I move and how much dinero is left...


he'll back out last minute anyway whistle.gif
AJ
QUOTE(Dogbreath @ Jul 4 2006, 04:07 PM) *
he'll back out last minute anyway whistle.gif


Peer pressue, they made me say yes last time and they've made me do it again...
GTV_nutter
Thanks for posting this Paul. I probably would have got around to it myself, eventually....

As already noted, the opening dates for the latter part of this year are pretty crap, and the proposed dates are the only series of consecutive days that seem worthwhile travelling that distance for. In fact, when I originally noted that weekend a few months ago I think the saturday was a full open day too. I hope they don't change the times any further.

Although the date is quite late in the year, and well into autumn, I think there is good chance that the weather will be ok. It is only a week or so later than we went last year, and that was mostly fine. Being late in the season it hopefully shouldn't be too busy either.

It would be nice if we could get a few Alfas there together. As well as the social aspect of the group visit, there are so many more photo/video opportunities available around the circuit with multiple cars/drivers, and it's always nice to have such a record of your visit.

Hope to see some of you there smile.gif

Cheers,
Joel.

PS. I'm hoping to take the 75 V6 (if it's working at the time).
sweens308
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Jul 8 2006, 06:05 PM) *
PS. I'm hoping to take the 75 V6 (if it's working at the time).


I like that bit especially! biggrin.gif Bagsy a passenger lap again!!! smile.gif
GTV_nutter
So, is anyone going? whistle.gif

I've booked the time off work with the intention of going, but not looked into ferries etc yet.
F355
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Aug 21 2006, 08:40 PM) *
So, is anyone going? whistle.gif

I've booked the time off work with the intention of going, but not looked into ferries etc yet.


I'm probably not i'm afraid. Sweens was definitely going last time I spoke to him.


Make sure you can come in May though, hopefully we should have a few going (and I am determined to go)
sweens308
Oh yes, I'm still going. Time was booked off work ages ago, as was the Pension Daniels once more. Car was freshly MOT'd last week, so barring any car calamaties, it's all go!

Daaaveee said he wouldn't be able to make it and I'm pretty sure that my official Nurburgring photographer biggrin.gif , Hazeyblue said he wouldn't be able to come either sad.gif.

AJ did express an interest, not sure what the latest is though.....

Insofar as ferries are concerned, I'm aiming to travel with Norfolkline again. I think it was 48 return, last time I checked...
GTV_nutter
QUOTE(sweens308 @ Aug 21 2006, 10:33 PM) *
Oh yes, I'm still going.
Sweeeet smile.gif

QUOTE(sweens308 @ Aug 21 2006, 10:33 PM) *
I'm pretty sure that my official Nurburgring photographer biggrin.gif , Hazeyblue said he wouldn't be able to come either sad.gif.
Well I'll volunteer to be the official trip photographer this time, but I hope you know how to use a camera as well! I might even let you use my new Nikon to take some pics of me on track.

Also, I've now got 2 complete bullet cam systems and a selection of different in-car mounts, so we could get some interesting video footage from various cars coolio.gif

QUOTE(sweens308 @ Aug 21 2006, 10:33 PM) *
Insofar as ferries are concerned, I'm aiming to travel with Norfolkline again. I think it was 48 return, last time I checked...
Is that Dover/Dunkirk? Let me know when you book your ferry; we could maybe try and arrange to meet up at Dover and go in convoy from there.

Shame about the drop-outs. My brother and a couple of friends were 'definitely going to come' but have all now decided against it for various reasons sad.gif
AJ
Sorry chaps, house completed last week which now means there's next to no way I can make it sad.gif

I will make it one day with my own car!!
pimp
The Bimmer might be ready, So im not sure if i will go then.

I will try and get some difters to come along.
sweens308
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Aug 21 2006, 11:23 PM) *
Sweeeet smile.gif

....but I hope you know how to use a camera as well! I might even let you use my new Nikon to take some pics of me on track.


So, not much pressure then?! laugh.gif unsure.gif
sweens308
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Aug 21 2006, 11:23 PM) *
Is that Dover/Dunkirk? Let me know when you book your ferry; we could maybe try and arrange to meet up at Dover and go in convoy from there.


Yeah, that's the one, it's a 2 hour crossing though, but you save a bit of time at the other end. I'm prepared to put up with the slightly longer travel for the cost involved.

Norfolkline do seem to insist on a minimum 1 hour check-in time but last time there were loads of people checking in just before the ferry so don't know how rigid they actually are! unsure.gif

Convoy sounds fine, we did similar last time, although once into Belgium, I dropped into my own 75mph pace, the others headed off on their own.
pimp
QUOTE(sweens308 @ Aug 22 2006, 12:31 PM) *
I dropped into my own 75mph pace, the others headed off on their own.



You old man, lol
sweens308
QUOTE(pimp @ Aug 22 2006, 12:54 PM) *
You old man, lol


Can't argue with you there, J! blush.gif tongue.gif

On the ferry subject, I've just had a quick decko on the Norfolkline site, seems they've had their boats chipped and the ferry crossing has now been cut to 1hr 45min. There are crossings every 2 hours still....

The cost isn't as cheap as when I looked a while ago, but it's the same price as the last trip, 54 return, all-in. smile.gif
GTV_nutter
Just been looking on the 'Ring website to see if there is anything else on that weekend, and I've decided I want to go a day earlier.

On the Saturday there is a round of the VLN championship on the Nordschleife! w00t2.gif
sweens308
Hmmmm, interesting......
sweens308
Gutted. Can't get the 29 September off work, so won't be able to travel until the Saturday sad.gif
sweens308
OK, 3 weeks to go......anyone else fancy joining GTV Nutter and I on the trip?

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GTV_nutter
***UPDATE***

The track opening times have changed slightly; we now have 09:00 to 19:00 on all 3 days! pappap.gif thumbup.gif
sweens308
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Sep 15 2006, 06:06 PM) *
***UPDATE***

The track opening times have changed slightly; we now have 09:00 to 19:00 on all 3 days! pappap.gif thumbup.gif


Oh yeah!!!!! w00t2.gif
GTV_nutter
Ok guys, I'm leaving for the ferry in the next half hour; got to get to Liege by bedtime.

Keep an eye on the webcam for us, and I'll report back when I return at the end of next week.

Cheers,
Joel.
F355
Have fun guys!

Have you left yet Paul?
hazeyblue
Aye, good luck chaps... be careful and take lots of photos.

Paul, I wish you well through the Brussels Ring Road. coolio.gif
hazeyblue
Sweens has arrived in good order... cool.gif
F355
QUOTE(hazeyblue @ Sep 30 2006, 10:44 PM) *
Sweens has arrived in good order... cool.gif

Good good coolio.gif

What is the weather like there?
hazeyblue
QUOTE(F355 @ Sep 30 2006, 11:03 PM) *
What is the weather like there?

Chucking it down as he arrived...
Dogbreath
Do we know how quick a 14X makes it around the ring?
hazeyblue
So far so good for Sweens... currently chugging home along the M25. wink.gif
sweens308
....yeah, got back just after 8 last night.

Absolutely awesome trip, just uploading me pics as I type. Lots to tell, might do a little trip report later.....
hazeyblue
Photos are looking good Paul... I likes the Mini..!

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F355
Some gorgeous cars Paul biggrin.gif Love that MK1 too ^

Did Joel do any videos this time? wink.gif
bobda
Aston DB7 Zagato. wub.gif
GialloEvo94
Just a few pics then laugh.gif I bet the scooby driver was none to pleased...I'm guessing that happened on the ring unsure.gif

It looked pretty dry...so...any lap times? whistle.gif
F355
QUOTE(bobda @ Oct 6 2006, 12:33 AM) *
Aston DB7 Zagato. wub.gif


Nooo, the Zagato is an ugly thing laugh.gif

Gallardo Spider wub.gif worshippy.gif
sweens308
Well, I was planning on writing up a lengthy trip report, but erm, when it came down to it I couldn't really be arsed and am sure it would've turned into a novel and bored everyone, anyway laugh.gif But, I thought I should write a bit up....

....WHAT a trip, just awesome.

Did 6 hugely enjoyable laps, 4 dry, 1 damp (with a dry line) and 1 wet (my wipers decided to stay continuously on halfway round, necessitating me removing/refitting the fuse several times on the way home from Germany rolleyes.gif ).

The dry track was a real chance to really test out the suspension and braking mods that I wasn't really able to try last time and whilst a 145 aint the best handling car in the world (and someway short of a GTV, it has to be said), I had SO much fun in it, the handling much much improved over standard. Probably the most impressive mod was the CG Lock, that I fitted a couple of days before (for details, see my garage). It is simply superb, really pinning me into the seat....unlike Joel, who was flying round all over the place, during the lap he came along!! ohmy.gif laugh.gif

I can report that the brakes passed with flying colours, even after a really really big test at Breidscheid, when faced with stationary cars, round the blind bend ohmy.gif - Despite two hugely impressive plumes of smoke from the front brakes, they were still totally fade-free with no problems whatsoever. If ever there was evidence needed of the benefit of uprated brakes on a racetrack (sorry, public toll-road whistle.gif ), THIS WAS IT!

There were, as usual plenty of crashes whilst there, including on the Sunday I saw the remains of an M3 and bits of a bike on the final straight, the (Brit) biker lay dead on the other side of the track sad.gif .

There was another (Brit biker) fatality on the Monday, he lost it on the last bend, Galgenkopf, flying head on into the armco, the bike was described as 'disentegrated', the rider was catapulted over, into the trees. He didn't stand a chance. After this one, the track was closed for the day, some 3 hours early. This one clearly warranted a full Police Investigation......

Amongst the people we chatted with were a bunch of (rather wealthy) chaps, with a nice array of motors, including a Gallardo (which NEVER went on track the whole time, it's owner being 'too nervous to take it out' ), 996 GT3 RS (which was trashed on the first day!) and a tuned 3.9 litre 996 GT3, who's owner has a 2nd at home!

I had 2 passenger laps in this (also CG Lock equipped, for the passenger smile.gif )GT3, the car was frankly, f**king savage in acceleration but well, the owner didn't seem to me to be exactly full of talent.....I had a bit more evidence of this on the 2nd, full-on lap when he lost it at T13.

The car went sideways, then spun the other way, before he (somewhat fortunately) gathered it up. I really thought we were going to hit the (very hard looking) concrete wall, but thankfully and more to the point, luckily, we didn't! Both of us were pretty shaken up and after this incident I think he only did literally a couple more laps the whole weekend.

To be honest, I probably had more fun as a passenger in the GTV and certainly found it more educational. Joel is stil very quick and still happy to 'rag it' round the corners biggrin.gif. The interesting thing we discovered is whilst the GTV (and it must be said, it's owner) is better round the corners, the 145 is very much quicker in acceleration.....Joel reporting that despite having his foot to the floor, the 145 pulled away noticeably biggrin.gif . It turns out that whilst they're identically-powered, the gearing is shorter in the 145 (4000@80mph vs 3600@80mph for the GTV) and it became evident that on quite a few corners, I would need 3rd or 4th, whereas the GTV would need to be in 2nd or 3rd.

In fact, there are NO 2nd gear corners for the 145, even the tight 'S' at Wehrseifen, or the Karrussell. This was an interesting discovery and something that had never crossed my mind!

Insofar as car highlights go, well the BMW E30 M3 Hartge did it for me once more (Turbo'd M5 engine!!). What an immaculate car. The GSXR-powered Smart was funny and it was a treat seeing and snapping the legendary RingMini. For me though, the best noise is still the frankly, staggering M3 CSL. To hear those at full chat is just incredible.......

Anyhoo, there was much incident, lots of fun, lots of spectating (including for me, lots of new places to view from) and a really really great time on track. I learnt so much there this time, I'm much quicker than I was, much braver too and the thrill when finishing a really satisfying lap is just incredible.

I remember when I went the first time, I said that you really can have as much fun in an old Alfa as anyone can in say, a Porsche. For me, this trip has proved beyond any doubt that you can easily have MUCH MORE fun in one. I mean, the Gallardo that never went out.....the GT3 RS that was stuffed on the first day and the GT3 that was probably much scarier than it's owner realised. Frankly, I felt the richer man this trip.

Roll on 2007!!!

ps, I want an M3 or Mercedes Cosworth....badly!!

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hazeyblue
Cheers Paul, sounds like another excellent trip.... roll on next year.

Shame about the bikers though. sad.gif
sweens308
QUOTE(hazeyblue @ Oct 6 2006, 06:44 PM) *
Shame about the bikers though. sad.gif


Yes, most definitely.... sad.gif

From my full-size picture set here are the cars I mentioned.


The Gallardo that never went out the whole time.... rolleyes.gif



The GT3 that I passengered in.... unsure.gif



and the GT3 RS in it's 'before' pose huh.gif




Plus some of my highlights..... w00t2.gif







sweens308
Best noise simply has to be from the M3 CSL's.....I don't know WHAT black magic goes on in that carbon airbox (check out the size of the intake, yes it really is THAT big!!) but at full chat, these things are simply awesome......



And here's the oh-so-cool alternative 'ring sticker, spotted in the Museum shop, here modelled on an 'RS......these will be on my next car methinks smile.gif



And I will end here by declaring my overall favourite car of the entire trip as the simply stunning Hartge M3 3.5 Turbo....


GTV_nutter
QUOTE(sweens308 @ Oct 6 2006, 06:29 PM) *
....WHAT a trip, just awesome.

^ What Paul said smile.gif

I got back at about 10:30 last night and haven't even started to unpack or check out my photos yet. I'll post up some photos when I've had chance to download them, but it might take a while because there's something like 3800-odd ohmy.gif

No in-car video this time, other than one in the wet on the first day with the camera hand-held by Sweens. To be honest, those first three days were too busy, and the weather too changeable, to get any decent in-car footage anyway. Then after we saw one Merc driver have his camera gear confiscated by a marshall at the circuit entrance I decided to keep my stuff securely locked in the boot.

I'll post more later.
GTV_nutter
Ok, I still haven't got around to composing a trip report, although I do have quite a lot to say; it's just that it's still all buzzing randomly around in my head at the moment.

What I have done is gone through most of my photos, and I've uploaded most of the ones from the 3 Tourist days to my gallery...

http://www.thegreenhell.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=591 snap.gif

Over the next few days I've still got all of my race day pictures to upload; Spa from friday and the 'Ring from saturday, plus a few 'extras' from the wednesday and thursday after Sweens left wink.gif

Found some other pictures of my car on t'intarweb as well smile.gif
hazeyblue
That Sweens in the passenger seat?

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GTV_nutter
QUOTE(hazeyblue @ Oct 9 2006, 07:01 PM) *
That Sweens in the passenger seat?

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Looks like it. He came out for quite a few pax laps.
GTV_nutter
All of my Nurburgring photos are now online...

http://www.thegreenhell.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=524
sweens308
QUOTE(GTV_nutter @ Oct 9 2006, 07:44 PM) *
Looks like it. He came out for quite a few pax laps.


I did indeed and fun they were too! smile.gif

Some awesome photos there chap. These are great shots of the maddest thing there last week.......and gents, that is a woman in the sidecar ohmy.gif unsure.gif




The sight of that blasting past, sidecar in the air with girly then throwing her weight over to throw it down was one to behold worshippy.gif
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