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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 408 Joined: 4th May 2004 Local Time: 13th December 2019 00:20 Member No.: 399 Driving: Citroen DS3 Dstyle 120VTi From: Hadfield, Derbyshire ![]() |
You may get them out with a centre punch. Punch a good deep indentation close to the edge, then hold the punch at an angle in such a position that it applies a tangential force anticlockwise on the head (easier to do than to describe!) & give it a good whack!
You could also try a proper penetrating oil, not that WD40 crap! |
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![]() Forum Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 9,490 Joined: 11th June 2005 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 From: South Oxfordshire, UK Member No.: 954 Driving: Alfa 145 QV, Lancia Delta Integrale Evo, SEAT Leon Mk2 FR+ TDI DSG From: South Oxfordshire, UK ![]() |
I tried a centre punch already...all that happened was that my centre punch now has a completely blunt end too and it hardly put a mark on the head of the screw
![]() ![]() All these screws do is to is hold the wheel liner to the bumper so why on earth are the screws made of such hard material which can't even be drilled out. It makes me angry ![]() All I was trying to do was to swap out my resonator for a straight through pipe. So, what should have been a fairly straight forward 2-hour job now means I have to wait another week until I can get some cobalt drills...and it will probably pi$$ing down next weekend too ![]() -------------------- |
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![]() 1.7 16v ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Veteran Posts: 2,898 Joined: 14th April 2005 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 From: Hampshire, England Member No.: 855 Driving: 145qv, 146ti and Mini Cooper From: Hampshire ![]() |
Looks like you might be trying to drill too big a hole at once. Try the finest drill bit you have and put some flux on the end if you have any to help it along. Then just use an easy out or keep enlarging the hole until its annihilated
![]() Its strange because they came out fine on my (1996 vintage) 146 ![]() This post has been edited by F355: 28th May 2006 17:22 |
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![]() Forum Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 9,490 Joined: 11th June 2005 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 From: South Oxfordshire, UK Member No.: 954 Driving: Alfa 145 QV, Lancia Delta Integrale Evo, SEAT Leon Mk2 FR+ TDI DSG From: South Oxfordshire, UK ![]() |
QUOTE(F355 @ May 28 2006, 06:21 PM) Looks like you might be trying to drill too big a hole at once. Try the finest drill bit you have and put some flux on the end if you have any to help it along. Then just use an easy out or keep enlarging the hole until its annihilated ![]() Its strange because they came out fine on my (1996 vintage) 146 ![]() I started with a 1.5mm drill and until it went blunt...then the next drill up and so on...now I have nearly a full set of blunt HSS drills (and not cheap ones either) ![]() ![]() Well, I've now ordered some cobalt drills so next weekend it's going to be war! ![]() ![]() -------------------- |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 570 Joined: 18th March 2006 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 1,384 Driving: ALFA 145 JUNIOR (DEAD)// FIAT MAREA 20v 155 Bhp (Gone) now FIAT Stilo JTD MW 115bhp From: Uk now , RSA prior ![]() |
QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ May 28 2006, 05:28 PM) I tried a centre punch already...all that happened was that my centre punch now has a completely blunt end too and it hardly put a mark on the head of the screw ![]() ![]() All these screws do is to is hold the wheel liner to the bumper so why on earth are the screws made of such hard material which can't even be drilled out. It makes me angry ![]() All I was trying to do was to swap out my resonator for a straight through pipe. So, what should have been a fairly straight forward 2-hour job now means I have to wait another week until I can get some cobalt drills...and it will probably pi$$ing down next weekend too ![]() Hey mate , I wanted to do the same today (remove rresonator) , but couldn't locate my straight through pipe ! like you say it will pi** down next week ! Out of interest did you see my post regards air suction ? You're a pretty clued up chap ! ![]() ![]() Regards Jason ![]() ![]() -------------------- "If God drove a car, it would surely be an Alfa Romeo."
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![]() Probably the Longest 145 Owner in the World! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Veteran Posts: 1,172 Joined: 9th December 2003 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 From: Derbyshire UK Member No.: 35 Driving: Locost 7 and some French Crap From: Derbyshire ![]() |
I had trouble with the same screws, I managed to get hold of a really good pair of pliers and a VW mechanic and he managed to get a grip on the head with the pliers to get it out.
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 758 Joined: 31st January 2004 Local Time: 12th December 2019 22:20 Member No.: 186 Driving: Alfa 145 1.7 16v From: Newbury ![]() |
WD 40 sprayed on anything you're trying to drill saves your drill bits.
You'll probably need spray a little on for every 10 secs or so of drilling. I am pretty sure there's nothing metal that the screw you've drilled goes into. The one below and to the left can be sawn from underneath and that does go into a metal hanger. I also use F355s technique and it works. It seems strange that the facelift bumpers are harder to get off. Maybe it's because the plastic is more flexible and needs to be held down more thoroughly. That screw would be a plastic fixing on mine. HTH -------------------- -------------------------------------
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QUOTE(laaf @ May 28 2006, 11:30 PM) WD 40 sprayed on anything you're trying to drill saves your drill bits. You'll probably need spray a little on for every 10 secs or so of drilling. I am pretty sure there's nothing metal that the screw you've drilled goes into. The one below and to the left can be sawn from underneath and that does go into a metal hanger. I also use F355s technique and it works. It seems strange that the facelift bumpers are harder to get off. Maybe it's because the plastic is more flexible and needs to be held down more thoroughly. That screw would be a plastic fixing on mine. HTH You're right...I don't see why metal screws were used ![]() I did try using WD40 whilst drilling but it was b**ger all help. These screws seem to be made of some seriously tough metal ![]() All the screws that attach the facelift bumpers to the plastic wheel liner go into one of these retainers which are clipped to the edge of the liner... The screws and retainers have just welded themselves together with corrosion. The top screw had missed the retainer completely and was just screwed into the plastic which is why it came out easily. The other 3 are going to need drilling. I can't seem to get a good enough grip on the outside with pliers so drilling is my only option now. The cobalt drills are on order now anyway so I'll see how I get on with those next week. I'm also going to get some RTD metal cutting compound which will give the drills even more chance of chewing through the screws ![]() -------------------- |
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One of mine rounded out on my bumper ages ago, but I did get a half turn on it before it went. The best bet I found was to angle grind the head off the screw - do this to all of them that are stuck to get the bumper off - then worry about the clip in the bracket - it's a lot easier to mangle the clip off than try and cut the screws, I'm sure they are hardened!
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QUOTE(AJ @ May 29 2006, 10:16 AM) One of mine rounded out on my bumper ages ago, but I did get a half turn on it before it went. The best bet I found was to angle grind the head off the screw - do this to all of them that are stuck to get the bumper off - then worry about the clip in the bracket - it's a lot easier to mangle the clip off than try and cut the screws, I'm sure they are hardened! I did think about an angle grinder but I was worried that... 1) I might slip and trash the bumper ![]() 2) The heat generated through the screw head would just melt the bumper ![]() I guess short bursts with the grinding wheel to reduce heat transfer and then cold water to cool the screw between each go might be OK until the head was sufficiently mangled so it can be ripped it off with some pliers ![]() ![]() -------------------- |
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Well I drilled the screws out fine today with cobalt drills and RTD cutting compound. Took a little while but I got there eventually
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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 320 Joined: 2nd March 2006 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 Member No.: 1,357 Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2 From: UK ![]() |
removed the resonator today for the straight through pipe, the equivalent pre-facelift clips were fine, however this happened when tried to loosen the screws located on the bottom of the bumper
![]() luckily after putting it all back together with the pipe fitted, the bumper felt just as secure as before with no movement in it ![]() |
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Is that the captive nut thats come free? If so it happened to mine but managed to get it all back together with the captive nuts held with a set of pliers
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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 320 Joined: 2nd March 2006 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 Member No.: 1,357 Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2 From: UK ![]() |
Is that the captive nut thats come free? If so it happened to mine but managed to get it all back together with the captive nuts held with a set of pliers Edit: Or on closer inspection of your pic is it the bottom of the leg that has rusted away? sadly its the captive nut and a piece of rusted metal the size of the rubber washer on the bolt ![]() ![]() This post has been edited by Junior145: 17th February 2007 22:25 |
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Those legs are known for corroding but yours looks to have been pretty well destroyed. The problem is that they're not painted particularly well and they hold water. Mine were starting to corrode so wire brushed off all the surface rust then applied Hammerite Krust before repainting the legs with a few protective layers of new paint.
You said the bumper seems to be OK without that mounting in which case it should be OK. It wouldn't actually be that difficult to make up a right-angle bracket and bolt it to upright of the leg it it turns out that the bumper does start flapping around in that corner at high speeds. -------------------- |
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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 320 Joined: 2nd March 2006 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 Member No.: 1,357 Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2 From: UK ![]() |
ah i must admit that picture doesnt do it any favours... it wasnt just at one side either, happened on both, almost as bad!!
![]() out of interest GE, the only other part of rust discovered is the bit right at the front that like goes under the radiator.. really wouldnt want to touch tht as it`ll probably fall apart, doesnt seem to be much of an issue as theres no real load bearing on it at all, seems to be just a metal connecting bar from one front leg to another, but was wondering if anybody knows if thats a common occurence to that extent in that particular area? belows a pic of it: |
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out of interest GE, the only other part of rust discovered is the bit right at the front that like goes under the radiator.. really wouldnt want to touch tht as it`ll probably fall apart, doesnt seem to be much of an issue as theres no real load bearing on it at all, seems to be just a metal connecting bar from one front leg to another, but was wondering if anybody knows if thats a common occurence to that extent in that particular area? belows a pic of it: That's the radiator support rail and it's quite a chunky piece of metal. Mine was in just a bad a state as yours and I removed it. There are just two bolts holding it to the car body then it just pulls off. The rubber grommets that the bottom radiator legs go into will either come away with the support or stay on the radiator legs but it doesn't matter either way as you just retrieve them afterwards. You will also need to unclip the aircon pipe attached to the back of it after you've unbolted the rail and got it off. I went at mine like a madman with a wire brush in a drill, then painted Krust all over it, then applied coats of black Hammerite before refitting it ![]() ![]() -------------------- |
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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 320 Joined: 2nd March 2006 Local Time: 12th December 2019 23:20 Member No.: 1,357 Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2 From: UK ![]() |
lol GE, looks like you did a good job.. cant beat the madman approach... at times
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but when i get round to doing the legs, i`ll have another look to see if its worth risking it, the fact you managed to remove it in similar condition does make it appear more tempting mind ![]() I reckon they'll come out OK with a little gentle persuation...just make sure you squirt loads of Plus Gas on the bolts and leave it a few hours before you try and undo the bolts ![]() -------------------- |
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