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GialloEvo94
post 29th September 2013 13:48
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This is the reason why people doing this conversion generally buy a complete donor Coupe or at least the engine complete with subframe and suspension parts. Then you have everything you need from the start without having to worry.

Does the Nuova Delta actually use the same floor pan as the 145/146 & Coupe? I'm not sure offhand without checking. If not then you may have problems using the Delta suspension parts in a 145.


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post 29th September 2013 14:05
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i can take subframe and sospension of a coupè then, if this can help, if not... i need to step back and get a coupè t16.

but i don't know/understand what is the gloor pan, so i can't answer that question!

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post 29th September 2013 14:15
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i think that was a spelling mistake and he meant to say "floor pan" unsure.gif


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post 29th September 2013 14:31
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aaah ok now i really understand what's the "floor pan" so in this case, 145/coupè uses the same floor pan, the 145 may be different in some particular, but also not completely sure... i looked at some pics here in the conversions thread and the delta engine pics i have, are quite similar to the coupè t16, i had a great talk with Aj days ago wich he confirmed to me that coupè t16 and delta engine are quite similar, the delta one has longer air intake and is a more precise engine than the coupè t16, and has the same mounts, ... and also i saw on his thread that he mentioned to take t16 subframe and sospensions, he also needed the coupè t16 hubs,

i hope i can buy somewhere the coupè t16 adjustable front ammo/shocks sets ONLY .. don't wanna buy a full set.

edit: found this info on an italian tuning forum

is says : " a D2 kit [cut]

Being available Alfa x 145-146 x should also be Fiat Coupe, the floor pan is the same!

[cut] "

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Edit2: i was looking around for the delta brake disks 2nd version, and what i've found is that it uses 284mm x 22 disks, the identical size as mine!!! lol... freaking happy tongue.gif

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post 29th September 2013 20:48
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Apologies for my incorrect spelling earlier. I was typing on my phone and didn't see the mistake. Wasn't very helpful to someone whose native language isn't English. I've now corrected it anyway.

From what I've found, it looks like the Nuovo Delta is based on the same floor pan as the 145/146/Coupe (inherited from the Tip floor pan). I've just done some cross-referencing in the parts catalogue and this is what I've found out...
  • The Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt both use the same drive shafts and the same hub assemblies so you can use those parts of either a Delta or a Coupe.
  • The shocks, springs and top mounts are different between the Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt so you would need to decide which to use. For the shocks and springs they may be identical looking units but just different damping/rebound and spring rates. I don't know. For the top mount differences it may be because the Delta and Coupe need different camber/castor angles. As the Coupe struts and top mounts are the ones that have already been proven on other 145 conversions, those are the ones I would probably go for if it was me, unless of course you want to be a guinea pig for trying out the Delta suspension parts.
  • Because the hub assemblies on the Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt are the same, it will mean you can use the brake setup from either car. I would probably go with whichever has the largest brakes.


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post 29th September 2013 21:14
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 29th September 2013 20:48) *
Apologies for my incorrect spelling earlier. I was typing on my phone and didn't see the mistake. Wasn't very helpful to someone whose native language isn't English. I've now corrected it anyway.

From what I've found, it looks like the Nuovo Delta is based on the same floor pan as the 145/146/Coupe (inherited from the Tip floor pan). I've just done some cross-referencing in the parts catalogue and this is what I've found out...
  • The Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt both use the same drive shafts and the same hub assemblies so you can use those parts of either a Delta or a Coupe.
  • The shocks, springs and top mounts are different between the Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt so you would need to decide which to use. For the shocks and springs they may be identical looking units but just different damping/rebound and spring rates. I don't know. For the top mount differences it may be because the Delta and Coupe need different camber/castor angles. As the Coupe struts and top mounts are the ones that have already been proven on other 145 conversions, those are the ones I would probably go for if it was me, unless of course you want to be a guinea pig for trying out the Delta suspension parts.
  • Because the hub assemblies on the Nuovo Delta and the Coupe 16vt are the same, it will mean you can use the brake setup from either car. I would probably go with whichever has the largest brakes.


Thank you so much for your time! Really.. This post it will be very usefull for me and those out there that are looking for such similar and technical informations like this!

... most of my doubts are now clear.

I would have loved to put the 305mm disks on the front and push to the rear the 284mm disks but for this last one im afraid it isn't possible..


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post 22nd October 2013 22:35
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long time no writing here.... been busy with the swap stuff..

found on ebay.co.uk brembo 20t calipers .... but the guy, after i won the bidding it hasn't answered any of my question :|


btw .... i've bought the complete subframe with the antiroll bar, and hubs, and a complete T16 radiator.

tomorrow i'll call the shop to ask if and how much it will cost to take the engine with race manifolds and maybe an upgraded turbo charger, since this two parts are completely stock from the engine i paid for.

ah and also, i'm looking for a race exhaust system.



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post 29th October 2013 14:56
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calipers arrived!

http://i.imgur.com/TXg4ZFs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/30GESbM.jpg

shipping from uk was so fast!! i'm just spechless!! only 17€ paid for the shipping.

... so working in progress here.

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post 4th November 2013 17:58
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Guys?!

since i haven't got an entire fiat coupè as donor i've quite got the whole stuff to start, i still need to find the exhaust and fuel pump... for the fuel pump i've found a turbo 20v pump for a cheap price, is it good to go or i strictly need the 16v t fuel pump?

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post 21st November 2013 13:50
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OOOOOOOooooo this looks niiiiiiiiiice


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between sat and sunday i may probably get the engine installed, if sh**t doesn't come along!

...bought a front IC from an UK shop, they sent me a wrong one wich is totally useless, 55mm in/outlets other than the 63mm in/outless required ... i was so pi**ed off, you can't imagine!

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Looking good, that's an awfully clean engine and box!

Be done and on the road by Monday then thumbup.gif


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not possible to get the engine installed... will skip all into the next two weeks, and also i'm planning to move the car at my house so i can work without any problems.

the stupid friend wich was the one who supposed to take care of the place (and car) where is my car now is doing happily his own business, we spent the latest 2 weeks f**kin around and doing nothing.... so i prefere take the car at my home and do it ma self.

atm let me update the situation :

- TS engine is 50% down, the whole upper section, head included is pulled out, and waiting for someone who needs a skimmed head and a 16 new valves, i need to unscrew the engine mounts, driveshafts and gear linkages
- The Delta II engine is 90% ready, i need to put on it the power steering pump, driveshafts , buy the 2 required belts (power steering & alternator one)
- still in doubt if install the stock fc t16 fuel pump or get the AEM High Flow 320 LPH In-Tank Fuel Pump
- still waiting for the correct IC i paid for
- still thinking about the exhaust section... what is quite sure is that the magnaflow back box i've got is good, since it's 60mm pipe diameter, wich is the exhaust pipe section i want to go with.

this is what i'm in too right now. (nope! i've also got much more things to say about the swap, but ... no i wount talk, just follow the thread updates. ahah jerry.gif )


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how does this look? cool.gif

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7cw00m6wms4ajpx/_DSC2245.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/44te38c9b8rfgi9/_DSC2257.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/js1uadvgacb2umm/_DSC2260.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x9a63a46w9l2yu/_DSC2265.JPG

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next week i'll be continuing the work on the car.... i'm into some little problems on the works that i may hopefully fix quickly like gear linkage and steering rack problems, and the left front qv brake caliper that doesn't want to come off, i see that i'm the only one talking here so most of the thing i would not even write them, i'll let the pics talk very soon.

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Front calipers pulled out, alfa 145 gear linkage pulled out and working on the fiat coupè gear linkages, need to do some diy since its not plug & play, fiat coupè t16 rollbar installed.

http://i.imgur.com/WOCOlIr.jpg


this may be helpfull to many others : alfa 145 2.0 16v steering rack end fits the fiat coupè t16 steering rack., so i'm goin to remove my messed up steering rack and put on the fc t16 one with the rack ends of the 145 2l 16v, but i'll buy new rod ends.

i'll write back any progress progress!


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Don't forget to read the other build threads to see if they solved any issues that you have at the moment. smile.gif


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With gear linkage, just drop the entire tunnel it attaches to, change it like for like smile.gif


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QUOTE(JasonHillAO @ 10th January 2014 17:20) *
Don't forget to read the other build threads to see if they solved any issues that you have at the moment. smile.gif


Yes thanks!! I've read so many threads about.. I've also found (not in this forum) a 1.9jtd to 2.4jtd swap ehehe

QUOTE(langers @ 10th January 2014 19:17) *
With gear linkage, just drop the entire tunnel it attaches to, change it like for like smile.gif


Yes that's the deal... That's what I'm doing... tongue.gif


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