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AnthonyT16
post 8th September 2013 13:15
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Hello guys!!!

saturday i had a problem with my car... looks like the head gasket has failed and water entered on a cylinder..... tomorrow evening i'll know what went wrong from the mechanic.


Now i'm considering taking a coupe 2.0 16v T engine (NOT THE 20V)

there are many many things i want to know :

- alfa 145 QV gear box doesn't fit right?
- should i take complete engine + gear box?
- i've read a lot that the engine can easy fit on alfa 145 QV
- what about the front wheels? do i need all the stuff of the coupe?
- the shocks kit i've got on my qv (front) are they goin to fit with the coupè stuff?
- strut brace? need a new one?
- brake disks ??

i'll use this thread to ask, and if i feel ok, this is goin to be te worklog thread.

thanks for further reading and advices.


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post 8th September 2013 13:42
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Back end of the car is the same so no change there except the fuel pump.

Engine and gearbox will straight up, you will need the front turbo struts and drive shafts etc. You wont be able to use the QV struts I believe as the flanges that connect to the hubs are wider.

Basically, the easier thing for you to do is: Remove all front engine, gearbox and sub frame complete with suspension from the Coupe, and the same from the QV, and do a complete swap.



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post 8th September 2013 14:23
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QUOTE(langers @ 8th September 2013 13:42) *
Back end of the car is the same so no change there except the fuel pump.

Engine and gearbox will straight up, you will need the front turbo struts and drive shafts etc. You wont be able to use the QV struts I believe as the flanges that connect to the hubs are wider.

Basically, the easier thing for you to do is: Remove all front engine, gearbox and sub frame complete with suspension from the Coupe, and the same from the QV, and do a complete swap.


ok i've got that for now.... thanks!


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post 8th September 2013 18:29
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I have more time now, from my understanding if I were to complete a conversion I would do the below:

Remove the below from the 145 QV:
Front suspension
Front Brakes
Front Subframe
Engine + Gearbox
All Radiator and pipes etc.

Take time to clean engine bay and label wires.

Remove the same as above from the Coupe, and place in to the 145. The main items such as engine mounts and subframe etc will bolt up the same.

Sort out wiring, I cannot hep here.

Rig up all pipes such as radiator etc.

I have more time now, from my understanding if I were to complete a conversion I would do the below:

Remove the below from the 145 QV:
Front suspension
Front Brakes
Front Subframe
Engine + Gearbox
All Radiator and pipes etc.

Take time to clean engine bay and label wires.

Remove the same as above from the Coupe, and place in to the 145. The main items such as engine mounts and subframe etc will bolt up the same.

Sort out wiring, I cannot hep here.

Rig up all pipes such as radiator etc.


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post 8th September 2013 20:23
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thanks for the reply.... actually what is pulling me back is the wiring, and i really need someone who can help me out with that.


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post 9th September 2013 11:03
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went to the mechanic and told him about this, he said that the electronics is the minor problem for him ......

i'm definetly goin to find a 2.0 16v from now!

let the fun begin! jerry.gif


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post 9th September 2013 22:01
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So, the 20V set up doesn't bolt straight in?
Okay, I will look around the site to find the answer!
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post 10th September 2013 05:22
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QUOTE(Harpo @ 9th September 2013 23:01) *
So, the 20V set up doesn't bolt straight in?
Okay, I will look around the site to find the answer!

Yes it does, with the same caveats such as having to swap over all the bits langers previously mentioned. The main difference is that the 20vt is a wider engine so the cam belt covers sit right up against the inner arch which means engine removal is required to do a cambelt change, unlike the 16vt.


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post 10th September 2013 06:58
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 10th September 2013 05:22) *
Yes it does, with the same caveats such as having to swap over all the bits langers previously mentioned. The main difference is that the 20vt is a wider engine so the cam belt covers sit right up against the inner arch which means engine removal is required to do a cambelt change, unlike the 16vt.


that's one of the reasons for me by going to the 16v instead of the 20v

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post 10th September 2013 08:30
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For example you can see in this pic the minimal clearance between the cam cover and chassis leg. On the 20vt



It is also very tight for space around the whole of the engine bay.

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post 10th September 2013 11:33
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20VT FOR THE WIN!


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post 11th September 2013 09:02
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guys is this the correct silicon tubes for the intercooler connection???



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post 11th September 2013 10:17
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QUOTE(AQV @ 11th September 2013 10:02) *
guys is this the correct silicon tubes for the intercooler connection???

There isn't really a 'correct' way of doing the intercooler pipes. What you need to do is get the engine in and the intercooler mounted and then measure up what you need.
When I did mine, the ph1 was completely different to how I did the ph2 because of the towing eye on the ph1 being solid and the ph2 screwing out. And I also did the ph2 3 different ways before I was happy, it's all trial and error tbh.


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post 11th September 2013 13:20
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ok good to know that...


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post 21st September 2013 20:28
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what about getting in the HF Delta engine instead of the usual & common 16 / 20t?





do i still need it's driveshafts & subframe from the delta?

cause i've found a delta engine

http://i.imgur.com/uswGCkF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dnKhNJt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ummoq1E.jpg

including gearbox electronics cables & the turbo, and i was asking my self what else do i need for it.

if anyone got tips, please write. thanks.



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post 22nd September 2013 08:38
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You will need gear linkages, both axle drives, engine & gearbox mounts, from what I see smile.gif

It is a better option than a Coupe 16VT engine, because Lancias connectors just plug on to the Alfas, where from the fiat engine you have to adjust and solder and what not to fit it wink.gif

SERIOUSLY, GO FOR IT!!! I WOULD.
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QUOTE(IgoRR @ 22nd September 2013 08:38) *
You will need gear linkages, both axle drives, engine & gearbox mounts, from what I see smile.gif

It is a better option than a Coupe 16VT engine, because Lancias connectors just plug on to the Alfas, where from the fiat engine you have to adjust and solder and what not to fit it wink.gif

SERIOUSLY, GO FOR IT!!! I WOULD.


hey thanks for your reply!!!

you lookk much more excited than me whistle.gif

.. i'm personally goin to do the swap with other two friends, and one of them is a good mechanic smile.gif (mi 2.0 16ts engine is definetely DEAD and gone, had the news just yesterday from the mechanic )

so please forgive my dumb/noob question but i want to look that way instead of buy this and that and get stucked when i'm working on it!)

i need to know, what do you mean with lancia connectors? i was sure many ppl says that coupè engine just plug into the alfa, didn't need any kind of soldering... you are the first one that says that need soldering!

gear box from that engine is there, i would need the subframe and the axle drives, wich are not with the engine, so i need to get those, actually dunno where to search..... blush.gif gotta ask the guy if it has those things!

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There is definetly a lot of wiring to do during the conversion.
It can get quite messy if your not carefull.


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ah ... so the wiring must be done during, and not when the engine is in?


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Do the wiring with the engine in as the loom obviously goes on to the engine.
The problem is just in decifering the correct plugs and colour wires on the alfa loom then the location of the corresponding plug/wire on the fiat loom.


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