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dante giacosa
post 4th March 2018 18:47
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Hey VROOM,

if you get down on your hands an knees and examine the underside of the sills, with the covers off, you'll find there are innumerable deliberate holes & slots, only some of which have an application for holding on the covers.

Furthermore, and perhaps more tellingly; if you have ever spent any time with the interior stripped out, you will find it's possible to inadvertently 'flow' rust preventative treatments from the floorwells into the sill cavities. The two areas are not distinct, despite appearances, and as we all benefit from inspired detail of floorwell drain holes, a path exists to link the underside of the car with the inner sills- almost as if it was DESIGNED to be possible...
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post 9th March 2018 11:13
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 4th March 2018 18:47) *
The two areas are not distinct, despite appearances, and as we all benefit from inspired detail of floorwell drain holes, a path exists to link the underside of the car with the inner sills- almost as if it was DESIGNED to be possible...


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Anyway, here are a couple more pics for the "Rusty Floorpan Hall of Shame":

Nearside rear drain holes (and any idea what that bracket is for???):

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Nearside front drain holes:

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BTW - one of the guys from the alfaowner forum has an engineering business and manufactures a number of hard-to-find components for various Alfas. I've asked him about making repair panels for 145/146 floorpans - and he seems up for it.

If the 146 is salvageable, I'll talk to him further about this - but is anyone else interested? The idea is to produce some repair panels with the correct corrugations for a cut and replace of the troublesome drain hole areas.
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post 14th March 2018 09:37
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 14th March 2018 01:01) *
BTW - one of the guys from the alfaowner forum has an engineering business and manufactures a number of hard-to-find components for various Alfas. I've asked him about making repair panels for 145/146 floorpans - and he seems up for it.

If the 146 is salvageable, I'll talk to him further about this - but is anyone else interested? The idea is to produce some repair panels with the correct corrugations for a cut and replace of the troublesome drain hole areas.



pretty sure they would suit the 155 as well (same problems)




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post 14th March 2018 10:46
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ooh!

decisions decisions...

yes, 'perhaps'...

This being Alfa Land, nothing is permanent in floorpans.

I'd be interested to see what comes out of this-

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post 18th March 2018 16:00
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OK, I've booked the car in for an MoT test on Friday - will see what agreement we can come to re. rust repairs required to get the car back on the road. Fingers crossed!

I'll be down in Devon over the Easter break so I'll aim to visit the engineering company who may be able to make some floorpan repair panels.
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post 18th March 2018 16:11
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So, another question for you regarding sill trim panels and their fixings.

To remove mine, I'll have to drill out some of the screws along the bottom edge; and I'm not expecting all of the plastic press-stud fixings on the sides to survive either.

Question is - are these fixings still available?

From ePer, the plastic press-stud fixings are part no. 8243 2125 - available on eBay.

The screws - 1568 8507 - and the fixings into which they screw - 763 7466 - look as though they are still available via the dealer network. Has anyone out there tried to get hold of these?

Also - the clips securing the scuttle trim panels - I'll need a few of these, too. Part number looks like 6060 1526 - can anyone confirm?

Thank you!
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post 18th March 2018 19:14
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 18th March 2018 16:11) *
So, another question for you regarding sill trim panels and their fixings.

To remove mine, I'll have to drill out some of the screws along the bottom edge; and I'm not expecting all of the plastic press-stud fixings on the sides to survive either.

Question is - are these fixings still available?

From ePer, the plastic press-stud fixings are part no. 8243 2125 - available on eBay.

The screws - 1568 8507 - and the fixings into which they screw - 763 7466 - look as though they are still available via the dealer network. Has anyone out there tried to get hold of these?

Also - the clips securing the scuttle trim panels - I'll need a few of these, too. Part number looks like 6060 1526 - can anyone confirm?

Thank you!


I bought some generic fir tree clips such as these for the side skirt's side fixings https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-Clips-For-FI...R0AAOSwc2FaIC0s
Not a perfect fit, but I only needed a couple each side and they seemed to do the trick. For the underside fixings I bought some of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10X-SIDE-SILL-SK...=item33bd86c9c2. Again, they weren't perfect and I had to then insert raw plugs into a couple of them followed by screws. I found it difficult to get the skirts to fit tightly against the sills (probably because some of the side clips were a bit worn) so I helped glue it on with a thin bead of black silicon sealant where the rubber edging is. This also stops water running down the side, behind the skirts and through the clip holes and inside the sills.
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 18th March 2018 16:11) *
So, another question for you regarding sill trim panels and their fixings.

To remove mine, I'll have to drill out some of the screws along the bottom edge; and I'm not expecting all of the plastic press-stud fixings on the sides to survive either.

Question is - are these fixings still available?

From ePer, the plastic press-stud fixings are part no. 8243 2125 - available on eBay.

The screws - 1568 8507 - and the fixings into which they screw - 763 7466 - look as though they are still available via the dealer network. Has anyone out there tried to get hold of these?

Also - the clips securing the scuttle trim panels - I'll need a few of these, too. Part number looks like 6060 1526 - can anyone confirm?

Thank you!


The screws you can replace with stainless steel ones of the same size - there is a washer/collar which you need to retain (if you haven't destroyed it while drilling out the screws).
I got the 'plugs' the screws screw into, and the fir tree studs from Mangoletsi about 3 years ago when I first repaired my sill trims - worth a try.

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post 18th March 2018 23:06
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ina word, 'yes', this stuff is still available.

Except the plastic fixings for the sills themselves (to receive the screws) are not.

I bought the screws themselves last year from Alfa, but you need a plastic ring for each fixing also. (The washer/collar, as described by Steve) I still intend to get these to make it OE, but financial implications at the time prevented me from ordering them.
When my gnarly screws came off, the collars were irretrievably bonded to the screws- appearing as one part.

10 of the screws for the sills alone, were 20.

I still intend to get the proper additional fixings though.

Let me dig out the part details, and I'll come back.

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okay-

found it; I bought 10 sill-screws last year from the main dealers and it was 23.62, not 26.

The part No. was 15688507

As Steve says; for completeness; you need the collars too.


These were 'special order', so they were coming from somewhere...

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Excellent - thanks for the thorough and rapid answers... good to know I can get replacement fixings BEFORE I discover I need them...

Can any of you confirm re. the part number for the scuttle fixings though?
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post 20th March 2018 09:08
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How do you mean, the scuttle fixings, Jeremy..?

(not the scuttle-panel fixings?)

Do you mean the plastic inserts for the metal sills themselves on the car..?

These are NLA, I was told..

I don't have the part number to hand I am afraid


It 'might' be worth trawling through these guys;

http://sklep.euroforin.eu/about-us-pm-8.html

or these might be your friend...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ALFA-ROMEO-SIDE-...119.m1438.l2649

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How do you mean, the scuttle fixings, Jeremy..?

(not the scuttle-panel fixings?)


Yes, I mean the scuttle panel fixings...
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Oh!

I'm sorry- I don't have any information on those...
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I finally got round to taking the 146 down to my local MoT station for a test the week before last - and it came back with pretty much a carbon copy of the last test under the previous owner.

I got to look at the car up on the ramps, though, so I can see that in addition to welding down both sills and all drain holes, the car needs a couple of brake lines and hoses replacing and a new front subframe that have all also succumbed to the rust bug.

None of this is especially difficult or costly, but I've decided to draw a line under this project due to a shortage of time and space to do it justice.

So - contact me if anyone out there is interested in purchasing the car - otherwise it'll be going on eBay in the next couple of days.

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2018 alfa romeo giulia ti


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2018 alfa romeo giulia ti


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It's spam, Jeremy-

We've been hacked..
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OK, here's the ad on eBay for the 146 for anyone interested:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183172205473?ssP...984.m1558.l2649

Reason for sale: just bought a 145 QV

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