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![]() 1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 282 Joined: 7th February 2013 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 10,847 Driving: Alfa 145 From: Essex ![]() |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
this makes me realise how few 146s I have seen in this colour
It really looks quite lovely fingers crossed you can save another Jeremy! |
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1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 361 Joined: 19th August 2016 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 12,797 Driving: 166 3.0 Sportronic, 145 QV From: Oxford ![]() |
I had a little time today to investigate the 146 (having had a few Spider-related dramas to deal with yesterday).
Jacked up the driver's side, had a good look, attacked it with a wire brush and discovered the usual rows of holes for the front and rear footwell drainholes, plus a previous repair to the sill at the front and a further repair needed further back. (As an aside - I have no idea what Alfa thought their 145/146 owners would be doing in their cars that would necessitate footwell drain holes, but that's a question for another day...). I'll have to drill out the retaining screws for the sill trim so that can wait till next weekend. Pictures show - rear drain holes (plus view of carpet): Front drain holes (sorry, out of focus): Front sill repair: Rear repair required: Now, assuming this is replicated on the other side, roughly what will that cost me in welding? Any thoughts? And what is the best way of dealing with the drain holes - given each one sits in its own channel - cut out the rust and weld in separate plates to fill each hole? Or fabricate a single patch to replace each row of holes in one? Any thoughts on the likely welding costs would be welcome... This post has been edited by JeremyG: 25th February 2018 17:56 |
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1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 361 Joined: 19th August 2016 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 12,797 Driving: 166 3.0 Sportronic, 145 QV From: Oxford ![]() |
this makes me realise how few 146s I have seen in this colour It really looks quite lovely fingers crossed you can save another Jeremy! Yesterday, I washed the car and remembered how difficult it is to wash a black car without leaving any streaks or marks... grrr! So as it was such a fine day today, I got to work on the paint - bit of scratch repair, bit of paint restorer, bit of polish - and it came up really well. There are a bunch of surface scratches that can probably be fixed this way. Plus, once it was buffed up, it became clear that there is a sort of bronze metallic effect going on. Very nice! |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
Any pictures of the paintwork, Jeremy..?
I think it looks tremendous already... But now it sounds very special.. I would say, a single 'area' of a car, with treatment & fabrication of new parts, might cost 'about' £250 /300. You can negate a lot of the labour, by doing a load of prep yourself; keep grinding back until you have bright metal all around the spot, outside & in, remove all the interior trim and carpet, seats. (drive around race-car style for a few months- I did!) Do everything that the guys would need to do, before actually starting to weld. But obviously it depends on the outfit doing the work. If they know you are onboard for the big-shift (they are not just going to see you once) then they may do you a favour. Eventually, for the third wave of welding on my example, I had two holes under the seats sorted and a gaping hole in the OS rear sill (that you could get your hand into) and that came to £600. All in, it was about £1300 of welding for me, to reach the kind of car I'd have my kids in. This post has been edited by dante giacosa: 25th February 2018 21:17 |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 981 Joined: 2nd November 2012 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 From: East Mids Member No.: 10,640 Driving: 145 Cloverleaf 2.0L ts From: uk ![]() |
This was similar to mine but with less rust around the holes. As mine was in a lock up garage I had to hire a welder who also had to hire a 60KW generator. The generator itself cost £60 to hire for the day. Can't remember exactly but it was over £200. I thought it was a bit expensive and I wasn't impressed with the job.
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
you managed to get someone to come to the garage!??
Yeah- I think there is a distinction between guys who 'weld' and 'fabricators'... |
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1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 361 Joined: 19th August 2016 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 12,797 Driving: 166 3.0 Sportronic, 145 QV From: Oxford ![]() |
Any pictures of the paintwork, Jeremy..? I think it looks tremendous already... But now it sounds very special.. The paint code is 821/A - "Nero Fuoco" - which, if my Italian serves me correctly, translates as "Fire Black" - I like the sound of that! Will get some pictures up when it's next sunny (and not snowing). You can negate a lot of the labour, by doing a load of prep yourself; keep grinding back until you have bright metal all around the spot, outside & in, remove all the interior trim and carpet, seats. (drive around race-car style for a few months- I did!) Do everything that the guys would need to do, before actually starting to weld. Yep, will definitely take that approach! |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
'Fire Black' is absolutely right
Back in the day, when I had my Coupe 20V Turbo, I toyed with trading it in for a 156 2.5 v6 a couple of times, of which fire black would have been the ideal colour. Or so I thought; until I saw nuvola blue, and hankered after that. But I remember the orange/red sparkle in that paint; I didn't know it was a 146 colour... I did eventually own a 156 v6 IN nuvola blue, around 2005, and spotted that exact car I owned shortly after getting the ![]() I couldn't resist parking in front of it for a group picture...u This post has been edited by dante giacosa: 26th February 2018 20:23 |
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![]() 1.3 8v ![]() Group: Member Posts: 93 Joined: 11th June 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,153 Driving: BRERA, GIULIETTA, 145QV From: FLINTSHIRE UK ![]() |
I had a little time today to investigate the 146 (having had a few Spider-related dramas to deal with yesterday). Jacked up the driver's side, had a good look, attacked it with a wire brush and discovered the usual rows of holes for the front and rear footwell drainholes, plus a previous repair to the sill at the front and a further repair needed further back. (As an aside - I have no idea what Alfa thought their 145/146 owners would be doing in their cars that would necessitate footwell drain holes, but that's a question for another day...). I'll have to drill out the retaining screws for the sill trim so that can wait till next weekend. Pictures show - rear drain holes (plus view of carpet): Front drain holes (sorry, out of focus): Front sill repair: Rear repair required: Now, assuming this is replicated on the other side, roughly what will that cost me in welding? Any thoughts? And what is the best way of dealing with the drain holes - given each one sits in its own channel - cut out the rust and weld in separate plates to fill each hole? Or fabricate a single patch to replace each row of holes in one? Any thoughts on the likely welding costs would be welcome... Whoever did the rear drain holes on mine seemed to have ground away the rust to leave bigger holes with jagged edges and then welded one big plate on from the other side. They then filled the holes with some sort of "chewing gum" and slapped over sticky underseal. It was an awful job trying to tidy it up. To be fair it was solid, the plate followed the contours well and it was MOT standard, but I'd have finished it off with a bit of filler. |
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![]() 1.3 8v ![]() Group: Member Posts: 93 Joined: 11th June 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,153 Driving: BRERA, GIULIETTA, 145QV From: FLINTSHIRE UK ![]() |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
classic
that's what I had |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 981 Joined: 2nd November 2012 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 From: East Mids Member No.: 10,640 Driving: 145 Cloverleaf 2.0L ts From: uk ![]() |
you managed to get someone to come to the garage!?? Yeah- I think there is a distinction between guys who 'weld' and 'fabricators'... Yes. I had to take time off work to help unloading the massive generator needed to power up the welding kit. Garage lock up. No heating, lighting or electricity. -------------------- G A N Z 145
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1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 361 Joined: 19th August 2016 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 12,797 Driving: 166 3.0 Sportronic, 145 QV From: Oxford ![]() |
I did eventually own a 156 v6 IN nuvola blue, around 2005, and spotted that exact car I owned shortly after getting the ![]() I couldn't resist parking in front of it for a group picture...u I owned a 166 in nuvola blue for all of three days. I picked it up as a parts car for my 166, as it had a leather interior and a Ragazzon s/s exhaust (still visible in the pic below) It was being sold as a non-runner as the tie rod on the rear suspension had failed; for the sake of a £25 second-hand spare I got it home for the princely sum of £150, then spent the weekend swapping over the interiors and exhausts before selling on the blue car the following week for the princely sum of £1. The Ragazzon sounds great - and it was amazing how much lighter it was than the standard system. All told, £149 for the leather plus exhaust was a total bargain... The nuvola blue did look great on the 166 - but the car itself, being a 2.5, was neither Arthur nor Martha... |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
ooh- not sure what you mean there, Mr G..?
'neither Arthur nor Martha'...? what would be your preferred 166 engine, then..? Personally, I'd have done ANYTHING to keep the Nuvola blue one over any other colour, but I can't vouch for the state of it at the time... |
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1.4 16v ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 361 Joined: 19th August 2016 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 12,797 Driving: 166 3.0 Sportronic, 145 QV From: Oxford ![]() |
ooh- not sure what you mean there, Mr G..? 'neither Arthur nor Martha'...? what would be your preferred 166 engine, then..? Personally, I'd have done ANYTHING to keep the Nuvola blue one over any other colour, but I can't vouch for the state of it at the time... The 166 was available in the UK with the 2.0 twinspark or the 2.5 or 3.0 'Busso' V6 motors. The 2.5 has less power (noticeably) than the 3.0, but the mpg is just as bad. Hence, if you want the horsepower the 3.0 is the only choice (and on the facelift model the 2.5 was dropped altogether, with the 3.0 upgraded to a 3.2). The little twinny might look lost in that giant engine bay - but is actually surprisingly nippy. As an aside - on the continent, the 166 sold in far greater numbers in a 2.4 JTD version - popular with the fleet buyers. The lack of a diesel option in the UK was a major factor in its poor sales figures over here... And as to which of those 166s to keep: engine aside, the blue one just wasn't as good as the red one - it was rustier, suspension needed work, brakes needed work, etc. etc. This post has been edited by JeremyG: 2nd March 2018 15:50 |
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![]() 1.6 8v ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regular Posts: 892 Joined: 28th March 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,068 Driving: 146 CF2 1.8 T-spark From: Edinburgh ![]() |
ah, I see...
interesting thanks for expanding on that... |
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![]() 1.3 8v ![]() Group: Member Posts: 93 Joined: 11th June 2017 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,153 Driving: BRERA, GIULIETTA, 145QV From: FLINTSHIRE UK ![]() |
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1.3 8v ![]() Group: New Member Posts: 11 Joined: 4th March 2018 Local Time: 17th February 2019 15:41 Member No.: 13,395 Driving: 145 From: Southend ![]() |
Looks good
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