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JeremyG
post 3rd April 2020 11:56
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Just been looking at this ad for a 145 on eBay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-ALFA-ROMEO-...aae7a%7Ciid%3A1

It's a Phase 1 body (and dash) with a Phase 2 engine - that must be pretty rare. A Phase 1.5?

I'd be tempted as I love the 145 in Proteo red - but the MoT history shows rust issues (unsurprisingly) and the photos show that both front suspension turrets are rotten...
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post 3rd April 2020 14:08
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I was looking at that this morning, the description has plenty to say, without saying much.
Amazing that so many people do not know about mot check.
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dante giacosa
post 3rd April 2020 19:18
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(hey, Jeremy...)

How has that happened then? It's not some mid-point production anomaly?

Someone's blown the CF1 motor, and swapped for a new one??
(Remind me to tell you about the time, I nearly bought a '1.6' 1st gen FIAT Bravo from a dealer, before realising it had the 1.4 engine fitted!)

I must say it looks in terrific nick, and I love the wheels and seat trim!
But questions have to asked about how the bonnet is being held open in the picture - as the stay on the NS tower appears to be missing?!!

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post 4th April 2020 10:28
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 3rd April 2020 20:18) *
(hey, Jeremy...)

How has that happened then? It's not some mid-point production anomaly?

Someone's blown the CF1 motor, and swapped for a new one??
(Remind me to tell you about the time, I nearly bought a '1.6' 1st gen FIAT Bravo from a dealer, before realising it had the 1.4 engine fitted!)

I must say it looks in terrific nick, and I love the wheels and seat trim!
But questions have to asked about how the bonnet is being held open in the picture - as the stay on the NS tower appears to be missing?!!


I have seen another Phase 1 car with a CF2 motor before - maybe it was this one!

I'd guess that swapping in a CF2 motor for a CF1 would be a major task given the different wiring loom needed - due to the different engine ECU position. So I assume it's an anomaly during the Phase 1/Phase 2 changeover. Which makes it rare and interesting!

I thought the same about the bonnet-open photo - I guess the owner was holding it open with one hand whilst photographing with the other...

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post 4th April 2020 14:15
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yeah; I agree-

Rare & interesting...!
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post 4th April 2020 17:00
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There is a period, somewhere in 1998, when phase1 exterior was fitted with the CF2 engine. Mine is 04.1998 and still has the CF1 engine, but a little after that CF2 came inside, before the complete makeover.
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post 5th April 2020 17:20
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 3rd April 2020 11:56) *
Just been looking at this ad for a 145 on eBay:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-ALFA-ROMEO-...aae7a%7Ciid%3A1

It's a Phase 1 body (and dash) with a Phase 2 engine - that must be pretty rare. A Phase 1.5?

I'd be tempted as I love the 145 in Proteo red - but the MoT history shows rust issues (unsurprisingly) and the photos show that both front suspension turrets are rotten...


I've had three phase one cars with the new CF-2 engine, and all had the updated speedo cluster - chrome rings, brighter LCD etc. Two were 1999 cars on a T plate - a Junior and a QV, the other was 1998 S plate QV.

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that they had an excess of Ph 1 shells, so they installed the new engine and interior to help shift them before the facelift launch. They did something similar to the 156 during it's facelift transition.

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post 5th April 2020 18:31
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thanks for that, Hazey

that's really interesting

I wonder what the crossover figures are...


I quite prefer the airdam and lower valance on the CF1; so that would have been my dream car...
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post 5th April 2020 18:53
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 5th April 2020 19:31) *
thanks for that, Hazey

that's really interesting

I wonder what the crossover figures are...
I quite prefer the airdam and lower valance on the CF1; so that would have been my dream car...

http://forum.alfa145.com/index.php?showtop...mp;hl=hazeyblue

15 year old thread throwback...
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dante giacosa
post 5th April 2020 19:17
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oh wow-

time travel!

thanks for that...
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post 5th April 2020 20:46
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 5th April 2020 19:31) *
thanks for that, Hazey

that's really interesting

I wonder what the crossover figures are...
I quite prefer the airdam and lower valance on the CF1; so that would have been my dream car...

That would be my dream car, too!

Proteo Phase 1 with the bonus of a CF2 engine... but those suspension turrets, and the GTV project still in play mean Iíll probably pass...
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post 6th April 2020 18:49
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