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billyleung_146
post 18th January 2017 11:49
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Hello,

I have a 1997 146 2.0 ti. Unfortunately the engine is dead, sounds like valve train failure. My car has the earlier alloy top engine. Can I put in a later plastic engine. As far as I know, for dimension they are compatible, but the inlet and electrics are different.

What do I need to do if I want to put in a plastic top engine? Because they are easier to be found.

Are the cylinder heads of the alloy top and plastic top interchangeable?

Thanks a lot
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post 19th January 2017 15:16
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QUOTE(billyleung_146 @ 18th January 2017 11:49) *
Hello,

I have a 1997 146 2.0 ti. Unfortunately the engine is dead, sounds like valve train failure. My car has the earlier alloy top engine. Can I put in a later plastic engine. As far as I know, for dimension they are compatible, but the inlet and electrics are different.

What do I need to do if I want to put in a plastic top engine? Because they are easier to be found.

Are the cylinder heads of the alloy top and plastic top interchangeable?

Thanks a lot




both the same part numbers . No the heads and blockS with the twin spark engines 147 156 146 plus other parts too


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post 22nd January 2017 08:54
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QUOTE(black 146 @ 19th January 2017 15:16) *
both the same part numbers . No the heads and blockS with the twin spark engines 147 156 146 plus other parts too


Hi do you mean the head and the block are the same for 145/146, 147, 156 2.0TS engines?

I have routed around and found that the cambelt idler was smashed, apparently the idler wasn't changed in the last cambelt job.....

I have found reconditioned 147 head, can I put them on my 146? Thanks
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post 22nd January 2017 19:07
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QUOTE(billyleung_146 @ 22nd January 2017 08:54) *
Hi do you mean the head and the block are the same for 145/146, 147, 156 2.0TS engines?

I have routed around and found that the cambelt idler was smashed, apparently the idler wasn't changed in the last cambelt job.....

I have found reconditioned 147 head, can I put them on my 146? Thanks




yes you can . Leave the cams in Plus the coil packs will work
all i would do is get a full head gasket set with a plastic rocker cover rubber gasket to as they do dry up and crack
with a new water pump when doing the new timing belt set


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post 22nd January 2017 21:09
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yes you can . Leave the cams in Plus the coil packs will work
all i would do is get a full head gasket set with a plastic rocker cover rubber gasket to as they do dry up and crack
with a new water pump when doing the new timing belt set


More precisely, Can I put a CF2 cylinder head on my CF1 engine? Thanks!
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post 22nd January 2017 23:20
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QUOTE(billyleung_146 @ 22nd January 2017 21:09) *
More precisely, Can I put a CF2 cylinder head on my CF1 engine?

Yes.


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post 23rd January 2017 04:25
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Yes.


Thanks for the info! Also, Can I use my original alloy rocker cover and coil cover? and the original inlet manifold? I'm asking because the part number for the rocker cover gasket and head gasket are different for CF1 and CF2. Not sure if that is just an upgrade on the gasket or if they are really different.

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post 23rd January 2017 09:01
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QUOTE(billyleung_146 @ 23rd January 2017 04:25) *
Thanks for the info! Also, Can I use my original alloy rocker cover and coil cover? and the original inlet manifold? I'm asking because the part number for the rocker cover gasket and head gasket are different for CF1 and CF2. Not sure if that is just an upgrade on the gasket or if they are really different.

Yes, you can use your original cover assembly.

You will actually need to swap over all the ancillaries from your original head because any that come already fitted to the 147 head won't be compatible with a 145/146.


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post 23rd January 2017 15:37
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 23rd January 2017 09:01) *
Yes, you can use your original cover assembly.

You will actually need to swap over all the ancillaries from your original head because any that come already fitted to the 147 head won't be compatible with a 145/146.


Thanks for reply. By ancillaries, do you mean the hoses? Or the mechanical parts such as cam shafts/ valves/ variators ?

Also, would you prefer a good used head or a reconditioned head?

Thanks again
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post 23rd January 2017 20:36
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QUOTE(billyleung_146 @ 23rd January 2017 15:37) *
Thanks for reply. By ancillaries, do you mean the hoses? Or the mechanical parts such as cam shafts/ valves/ variators ?

Also, would you prefer a good used head or a reconditioned head?

Ancillaries means any external parts that are attached to the head. Cams, valves and the variator are internal parts so you can just leave those as is.

Used or reconditioned really depends on your budget and cost of the parts in question. Reconditioned will generally always be better (if it's been reconditioned properly) because any worn parts will have been replaced, so moving part tolerences will be tighter and "as new", and as the item will has effectively been reborn, it will (should) have a much longer life.


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Find a 2.0 8v TS from a 155 it's the superior engine!
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post 27th January 2017 18:39
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we fitted a 2ltr 147 head on to yellow145 1800 zoe. With no problems & still working ??!! huh.gif whistle.gif


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