145 QV 3.0 v6 conversion - Alfa Romeo 145

145 QV 3.0 v6 conversion

Col View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	4th July 2016 15:22 Post #1 \| Print
1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	Hi chaps, My twinny has bitten the dust so I've opted for a v6 conversion. I've bought a phase 1 gtv donor car which will be here in a few days. Does anyone have any tips going forward? Has anyone on here done this themselves? I've done conversions before but maybe not on this scale. Thanks Col

Col View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	6th July 2016 13:24 Post #2 \| Print
1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	I'll post updates as I go in case anyone fancies doing this themselves too. This is my 145, as I said above the engine is knackered so time for a nice big replacement The donor car arrived this morning... Let the fun begin

effkay View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	6th July 2016 17:58 Post #3 \| Print
1.4 16v Group: Regular Posts: 291 Joined: 11th February 2011 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Cardiff Member No.: 6,340 Driving: Alfa 145 2.0 Cloverleaf, Subaru Impreza WRX PPP From: Cardiff	Good luck with it...I'm not gonna be much help though

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1.4 16v Group: Regular Posts: 167 Joined: 2nd April 2008 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 Member No.: 3,037 Driving: 146 ti, 155 8v, 155 V6 From: Liverpool	Watching with interest, was about to scrap my V6 155, suppose the engine could go in the 146, wouldn't be any faster but the noise would make up for that

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1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	Started on things today, not much done really, it's up on stands, car cover on, one corner stripped and in a box. I'm going to replace as many parts as I can with new parts, lots of powder coating and all new bolts from my local Fiat dealer. As the front calipers need serviced (they were in the boot when the car arrived) I'm going to try for 330s under 17" GTA teledials on the front and just replace the calipers on the back, they look a bit knackered tbh. The donar car came with KYB Gas A Just shocks which I assume are just cheap OE replacements. No use to me as I've already bought coilovers. I'll post more soon QUOTE(waynedear @ 6th July 2016 19:46) Watching with interest, was about to scrap my V6 155, suppose the engine could go in the 146, wouldn't be any faster but the noise would make up for that You could always upgrade at a later date to 3.0 or 3.2, you have all the right bits sitting there tho

Col

18th July 2016 16:36

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Back to it today, got the rest of the rear suspension off an started sanding the sub frame. Check out that box of manky parts.

Time for a cuppa

Col

19th July 2016 12:55

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Today, not so well :/

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22nd July 2016 16:06

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Just more stripping for now, been raining a bit here too so progress has been slow the past few days. I had to file a 36mm socket to get the driveshaft nuts off, complete pain in the a**e.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll get everything prepped for taking the engine out on Sunday, I need to get the GTV off the drive before my neighbours start complaining.

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1.4 16v Group: Regular Posts: 291 Joined: 11th February 2011 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Cardiff Member No.: 6,340 Driving: Alfa 145 2.0 Cloverleaf, Subaru Impreza WRX PPP From: Cardiff	Unlucky with the wrench. Making progress though. Keep it up and the pictures coming!

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25th July 2016 13:08

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Toys

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27th July 2016 14:37

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Almost ready to take the engine out...

Col

1st August 2016 09:38

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So the engine and gearbox are out and the GTV goes away today. I've tried to remove as much as I can and I hope I haven't missed anything. I found the battery cable that runs from the boot to the wee box in the engine bay so I think I'll mount the battery in the boot of the 145.

Most of the strip was pretty straight forward, the only things I hadn't come across before were the driveshaft bolts, they were a pain in the a**e. I cut the front cross member out and the end of the chassis legs so the engine came out easily enough.

The new parts are starting to arrive, so far I've bought the coilovers, front track control arms, track rod ends, front hubs, front wheel bearings, inner and outer cv joints, rear tie rods, rear drop links, rear hubs & bearing, rear top arm ball joints. The bill is starting to get a bit over the top so I've decided to go with the 305mm brakes for now, they're going for a refurb and a paint instead.

So the next plan is to prep all the parts for powdercoating and get them away, then I can start to strip the engine and gearbox down. New clutch (and possibly flywheel if it has a DMF), timing belt, water pump, tensioners etc. Heads skimmed and gaskets changed, new plugs etc. and generally get things all clean and shiny again

Once all that is done, I can go and collect the 145

Does anyone know if I should use the GTV steering rack or stick with the 145's?

(The cardboard box is to remind me there is jaggy stuff under there lol)

Col View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	1st August 2016 09:48 Post #13 \| Print
1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	My tip for the driveshaft bolts is an impact gun. I tried to use it as little as I could during the strip, trying to be gentle and not strip anything but I don't think I would have removed the near side driveshaft bolts without it.

FactoryOsaruJPN View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	2nd August 2016 22:14 Post #14 \| Print
1.4 16v Group: Regular Posts: 102 Joined: 17th January 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 From: Sapporo Hokkaido JPN Member No.: 12,021 Driving: Alfa 145 2.0 without silencers From: Sapporo Japan	Looks so fun. Have you salvaged the harnesses among the engine,ecu,and immobiliser or planned to obtain or fabricate new one? BTW my battery is located in the boot,the engine is still twinny for the time being tho. This post has been edited by FactoryOsaruJPN: 2nd August 2016 22:17 -------------------- Factory Osaru JPN Also seen at http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/398935/profile/ (Website in Japanese) I have driven 145 for more than 17 years in Hokkaido the most northern/coldest district of Japan.

langers View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	3rd August 2016 19:42 Post #15 \| Print
Forum Moderator Group: Moderator Posts: 5,464 Joined: 14th April 2008 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 From: Lincoln Member No.: 3,059 Driving: Audi A3 Sportback S-Line 1.4 TFSI COD From: Lincoln	Easiest thing for the front end is use the entire GTV Subframe / struts / hubs / rack etc. That way you wont have any issues with selecting the correct track rod ends in future etc if they are any small differences. -------------------- '96 Purple 145 QV died from rust - '98 Blue Junior SOLD - '99 Red 145 QV 20VT SOLD - '97 145 QV Track Tart SOLD

Col View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	4th August 2016 12:47 Post #16 \| Print
1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	QUOTE(langers @ 3rd August 2016 20:42) Easiest thing for the front end is use the entire GTV Subframe / struts / hubs / rack etc. That way you wont have any issues with selecting the correct track rod ends in future etc if they are any small differences. Cool, that makes sense yeah, I'll add a new rack to the list QUOTE(FactoryOsaruJPN @ 2nd August 2016 23:14) Looks so fun. Have you salvaged the harnesses among the engine,ecu,and immobiliser or planned to obtain or fabricate new one? BTW my battery is located in the boot,the engine is still twinny for the time being tho. Yeah, it's all in the shed the garage I use are going to wire the 145 up once the new engine is in, they'll pretty much tidy everything up.

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Forum Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5,254 Joined: 24th November 2003 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 From: Buckinghamshire Member No.: 2 Driving: Alfa 145 Turbo, BMW 330cd, GTV 2.0 Lusso From: High Wycombe, Bucks	Good progress! The wiring should be pretty easy, but you'll need to cater for the 6 pulse input to the dials (if it bothers) you, as the dials will expect 4 pulses, so you RPM and speed will read higher than they actually are - there are various pulse converters available now, I'll try and find the one my friend used on a kit car. I'm sure you got it but get the gear linkage - I can't remember if the GTV is rod or cable -------------------- Websites are like aeholes, everyone has one, and im wary of any bloke trying to direct people into their's.** The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, 'Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride...' And we ... kill those people.

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Forum Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5,254 Joined: 24th November 2003 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 From: Buckinghamshire Member No.: 2 Driving: Alfa 145 Turbo, BMW 330cd, GTV 2.0 Lusso From: High Wycombe, Bucks	I'd like to see the rear suspension from a GTV fitted to a 145, I bet that would make for some awesome handling -------------------- Websites are like aeholes, everyone has one, and im wary of any bloke trying to direct people into their's.** The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, 'Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride...' And we ... kill those people.

langers View Member Profile Find Member's Posts	5th August 2016 20:43 Post #19 \| Print
Forum Moderator Group: Moderator Posts: 5,464 Joined: 14th April 2008 Local Time: 17th November 2018 07:42 From: Lincoln Member No.: 3,059 Driving: Audi A3 Sportback S-Line 1.4 TFSI COD From: Lincoln	Also.... I hope you have remembered the fuel pump! -------------------- '96 Purple 145 QV died from rust - '98 Blue Junior SOLD - '99 Red 145 QV 20VT SOLD - '97 145 QV Track Tart SOLD

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1.3 8v Group: Member Posts: 28 Joined: 7th July 2015 Local Time: 17th November 2018 08:42 From: Scotland Member No.: 12,276 Driving: 147 Ducati Corse / 145 QV From: Scotland	QUOTE(langers @ 5th August 2016 21:43) Also.... I hope you have remembered the fuel pump! I have a brand new FSE fuel pump for the 3.0 v6

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