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Warrior
post 6th February 2007 20:15
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I had the crank in my 1994 33 1.3 ie reground twice, no need to get it re-nitrided.

I seems like the older engines had up to 1.00 mm of hard material on the journals for reginding before it's hardness would go.

If your interested, I have a brand new crankshaft for the 1.7 engine, 8v or 16v. I bought this for my car but didn't notice or measure it had an extra 5.0mm of crank throw. I'll also throw in a complete set of federal mogul crank and rod bearings for free.

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post 7th February 2007 16:43
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Thanks Warrior but I think my crank is just fine but I will keep your offer in mind!

Anyway, now that I’m spending a lot more than I was planning to I thought that I maybe take it a step further.Today I was dreaming of a centrifugal supercharger.

- The are easy to mount
- I can lower the boost to 0.5 Bar so I will have no probs at all.
- And I found a brand new one for 200 Euro’s…… laugh.gif

My question is, is this a dump idea or not unsure.gif . I have got the room because I don’t have a air co compressor.



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post 12th February 2007 08:20
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Got a call this morning from SAVALI that I can pick up my engine at a local dealership. The cost will only be €840,- including VAT blink.gif . They have cleaned, bored and rebuild the engine for me with new bearing plus fitted four oversized pistons. Luckily the crank turned out to be fine! laugh.gif

Does someone have got any experience with these kind of prices? I feel I little swindled……… unsure.gif , anyway, I can start rebuilding now!!!

The next step is to refurbish both the heads, I’m planning to do this myself because I’m running out of my budget here…… furthermore I will get some sports camshafts’s and a Squadra chip and lighten the flywheel to push the engine a little bit. coolio.gif

This because I really don’t want to spend all this money and come to the conclusion that my car is still slower then a snail in hibernation wink.gif .

I have thought about the supercharger and I think it will be some kind of a overkill and risk. This because I still have the standard compression ratio and don’t want to blow my new engine up.

If I can still walk to the computer after lifting the chunk of iron, I will let you know if it was worth the money sad.gif !


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post 13th February 2007 13:29
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Unfortunately there ware some problems with the bill yesterday. He told me that I could pick up the engine and that the bill will be send afterwards. laugh.gif
So, last night after work I drove to the dealership to get my engine. Know what, I cannot take it with me because the bill will have to be paid in advance….., that’s our policy he said… the little m rant.gif therf rant.gif cker.

A well, I will try it again tonight and bring some money with me this time. sad.gif


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post 13th February 2007 13:46
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€840 ohmy.gif It's a lot of money. At least you have peace of mind that the engine is perfect internally and I guess it will come with a warranty for the rebuild work. Just make sure you double-check and triple-check the timing and everything else before you turn the key for the first time wink.gif


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post 13th February 2007 14:10
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I will qudro check (like the number of camshafts laugh.gif ) the timing and ignition because I want it to run on the first time over.

I think I will start crying if I have the timing wrong and try to start the engine. eek.gif
Maybe its better to try to turn the crank with a wrench before installing it in the engine bay..?


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post 14th February 2007 08:38
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Got my engine but a few parts are missing now rant.gif …….anyway, can someone please advise me if it would be smart to get a new oil pump or just cleanup the old one? I wanted to get a new one but they are around €250,- …… ohmy.gif


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post 14th February 2007 08:42
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Sorry, just found the display option. doh.gif . At least that’s one problem less. bounce.gif


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Here you will have a sneak preview of the colour schemes. As you can see the rocker covers are red (not orange or pink like the photo! blush.gif ) and the engine itself will be black with metallic gray. coolio.gif

BTW

You can also see the result of my port flowing job. laugh.gif

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post 26th February 2007 08:27
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Disassembled the heads this weekend and found two bend valves, the rest where in tip top condition. I also had the head ground and cleaned this week. Furthermore I polished and cleaned the valves using a column bore (Sorry, no pics of actual cleaning unsure.gif ).

After cleaning all the parts I ground the valves in there seats to form a tight seal. I have checked the sealing by pouring water in the combustion chamber and waited for a few minutes to see if it will drain past one of the valve seats, luckily it didn’t. tongue.gif

So, I’m getting to the point where I can reassemble my new looking heads and get on with the project! bounce.gif

Pics HERE wink.gif


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post 5th March 2007 06:42
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Got some new pics of the engine rebuild. As you can see the engine is coming to getter rather well laugh.gif . The only thing left is to sort out the electronics, fuel lines and vacuum lines blink.gif

Check the pictures and fall in love! wub.gif

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post 5th March 2007 10:47
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It's coming along nicely now gleam.gif .
The engine is looking great and it's easy to tell that you have put a lot of work into it.
I really hope everything goes smoothly when the transplant occurs, and that you find the car is significantly faster than a hibernating snail biggrin.gif.
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post 6th March 2007 07:18
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I think it will be a lot quicker then my old (and current) 1400 8V. This because the old is unmodified except from the air intake and the exhaust witch will bring up approximately 85 to 90 BHP unsure.gif .

The idea was to do the following with the new 1700.

- DIY Port grind / flow.............................DONE
- Sports camshafts.................................SCRAPED
- Squadra chip.......................................NEEDS TO BE DONE
- New exhaust from middle to back............50% DONE
- Cat replacement (from old car)...............DONE

Unfortunately this weekend I went to get my camshafts but they had ordered the wrong one's for a 1600 8V…. rant.gif So, I have returned them and think I could better spend the money on a new sports manifold. Anyhow, I think the total will be around 160 or maybe if everything works out right 170 BHP coolio.gif ….

Talking about camshafts, does anybody know the difference between a 33 QV camshaft and one from a 145 1700 16V blush.gif ?


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“Talking about camshafts, does anybody know the difference between a 33 QV camshaft and one from a 145 1700 16V?”

Anyone?

I had two engine’s, one from a 33 and one from a 146. When I measured the cams I noticed that one of the two where wider and higher…. (don’t now if these where from the 33 or the 146… blush.gif ). Of course I used the shafts with the biggest cams but now I’m wondering if these are factory shafts or maybe sport shafts coolio.gif . I find it unlikely that the made a other set of cams for the 145/145..

Does somebody know if there are any differences between these cams?

worshippy.gif THANKS! worshippy.gif


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post 19th March 2007 13:45
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The engine is build in but she wont crank. rant.gif The 145 starter runs freely without interlacing with the starter ring. I think I used the AR 33 flywheel with a 145 starter... blush.gif .

A well, tonight I will try to swap the starter and try again. I will also try to get the code light of using the original key. Wish me luck!





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After all this work, for God's sake make sure nothing is going to get damaged when you start it up.
It would be terrible if after all this work, you had to take it apart to get to a broken engine part.

Which camshafts did you go for in the end? 145 ones?
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I don't really know what camshafts I have used but I think the they where coming out of the 33 blush.gif . Furthermore my starter issues are solved. It was a electrical problem, the engine did not ground enough and thereby the starter wont function properly.

A other big plus is that my Alfa code system is working with the original masterkey. For test purposes only I have used two keys. From the first key the car will read the code and the other one for the plain old starting.

And the best that could happen to my last night is that the car started….. I was at the point testing my starter and the engine fired right up. This is without the throttle cable and a lot of electronics… laugh.gif

Pictures will follow soon!

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Ok, so the next problem was that the engines idles around 2500 to 3000 RPM. After checking some topic about this problem I have:

- Set throttle sensor to zero

- Disconnected the temperature sensor

- Cleaned the idle control valve with WD40

I noticed that the idle control valve was (and still) making a humming sound unsure.gif . Can someone please tell me if this is normal.
So after some cleaning with WD40 the idle dropped to around 800 / 1000 RPM (still humming) and the engine started to shake like hell blink.gif . It almost felt like one or two cylinders did dent want to cooperate. After some tweaking and starting I think I have drown the engine.

I think the shaking is produced by throttle body's that are out of sync. I will try to start her again tonight an tweak it a little bit and keep you posted! huh.gif


Something about syncing (http://www.fjrtech.com/getdbitem.cfm?item=21)

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Damn, I miss driving my car. She is almost standing still for three weeks now >>EDIT<< Sorry, for one week now! rolleyes.gif …. The bright site is that I now have a good excuse to borrow my mothers “new” 147 laugh.gif !


Anyway, the car stopped shaking after adjusting the throttle bodies once again. The idle control valve is still making a humming sound. I'm afraid that the coil (magnet) is gone, this because the valve itself is not stuck……



Now that I have the Bosch number I can get a second hand one to try to fix the “problem”. I also have to wait until my new throttle cable, bracket and clips are in before I can take here for a spin. sad.gif


As always I will keep you guys (and girls laugh.gif ) posted!

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