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JeremyG
post 3rd March 2019 11:58
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... Clay Bar, Clay Bar!"

With apologies to Electric Six, has anyone tried a clay bar for detailing their paintwork?

If so, are they any good? Or is this just another fad thing?
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post 3rd March 2019 17:22
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That's funny

Yes- I do the clay-bar thing on my 'fleet'- but it's quite a mission

You should maybe watch this-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTOUG3hWyI


Oh- sorry; I associate Polished-Bliss with clay-barring gear; it's where I source my polishing compounds and such- but I don't think it actually 'features' in what they have included of that video...
Although it was undoubtedly part of the process. You have to remove the surface contaminants, before polishing anything...



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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 3rd March 2019 17:22) *
That's funny

Yes- I do the clay-bar thing on my 'fleet'- but it's quite a mission

You should maybe watch this-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTOUG3hWyI
Oh- sorry; I associate Polished-Bliss with clay-barring gear; it's where I source my polishing compounds and such- but I don't think it actually 'features' in what they have included of that video...
Although it was undoubtedly part of the process. You have to remove the surface contaminants, before polishing anything...


Definitely worth it. Removes all sorts of bits from what you thought was clean paintwork. I do this once a year and its surprising the amount of stuff if it picks up. It also ensures that the paint is nice and smooth under the touch!

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here are a couple of post-claying, post polishing shots...


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A quick test. Run your fingers over your nice clean, polished surface & feel how smooth it is. Now put your hand in something thin like a freezer bag & repeat. . .

. . . feels rough now, doesn't it? If so, time for clay!
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Wow- that's some technique, Dave;

I've never heard of that; but I can see the benefit I think...
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 3rd March 2019 11:58) *
... Clay Bar, Clay Bar!"

With apologies to Electric Six, has anyone tried a clay bar for detailing their paintwork?

If so, are they any good? Or is this just another fad thing?


Oh dear, I've now got visions of the Electric Six video with Abraham Lincoln clay baring an Alfa roflmao.gif
I've got a bilthamber one that I've used a couple of times. It's interesting to see the "invisible" dirt that comes off onto the clay.
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QUOTE(VROOM @ 7th March 2019 23:29) *
Oh dear, I've now got visions of the Electric Six video with Abraham Lincoln clay baring an Alfa roflmao.gif
I've got a bilthamber one that I've used a couple of times. It's interesting to see the "invisible" dirt that comes off onto the clay.


Ha!

Well, I'm going to give it a try - got myself a Meguiars kit and will have a go over the weekend...
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Nice-one, Jeremy-

Please report back with pictures!

Claying is usually stage-2, in an elaborate full-on polishing process.

Stage-1 is the get the car washed (a world in itself), Stage-3 is to use a cutting-compound to take back the micro-swirling from the paint, and Stage-4 would be a polish-up (again; a world in itself)

The purpose of claying; is to remove surface containments to allow polishing to work without picking anything up off the surface and making things worse.

Good prep leads to a good result!
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couldn't resist digging out some clay-bar shots from last summer, when I put 10 hours (over a few days) into cleaning up a mates Abarth EVO.

The amount that came off, through claying, was unreal. I never got to actual machine-polishing on this; or using any cutting compounds; it was just wax & polish by hand.

I meant to say (Jeremy); don't believe the marketing; you can refill the lubricant bottle with just water, once depleted. It doesn't HAVE to be that special stuff.

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Thanks for the tips, team!

I just tried the clay on the 145 and I get what it does now - you can feel it shifting dirt and smoothing the surface of the paintwork.

A question, though... what do you do with it when the surface of your clay is covered in debris (like Dante's shot above) - can you knead it to get a clean surface again and keep using it? At what point do you have to discard your clay???

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Also - what products do you use for polishing?

I've been using Autoglym, but not for any particular reason - in fact, the shine never seems to last all that long with their stuff.

Also - anyone use a machine for polishing?
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Yeah-

I used machine polishing on the FIAT. You could spend hours on each panel. Starting with the cutting compound and then moving to the polishing compound, before ultimately the wax.

But you've got to think about the purpose of the car. It all comes back to how you wash and keep it.

The FIAT used to live in a rented garage under a dust cover, seeing little use; when it came out it had a pretty easy time with the best kind of washing-routine possible before going away. As such it is / was gleaming.

The 146 lives outdoors under a car cover, and whilst this keeps back a lot of the dust and UV, it has it's own drawbacks in term of micro-scratching. Personally I trade off the 'ultimate finish' on the 146, for the 'ultimate protection' of the car cover.
It would be easy to keep it reasonably pristine; but the washing is the thing that brings back the paintwork swirls.

As for claying; here's my tip- you can literally 'hear' the stuff scoring-away on the paintwork; and when it goes quiet; you know you're cleaned that spot. That and touch also. Whatever happens- NEVER re-use a piece of clay that you've allowed to drop to the ground.
When is a piece of clay finished?

When it goes dark grey and might be doing 'damage' through re-use. It's always worse the first time round- you can easily 'use up' a complete claying kit giving the car the first once over of it's life.

wax?

Where do you draw the line. Apparently 70 is the watershed figure for something 'decent'

https://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/auto-finesse-illusion


personally I have yet to get beyond this kind of expense- but I'm very happy with the results

https://www.halfords.com/motoring/car-clean...-paste-wax-200g


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I've been tempted by a machine polish to get rid of the lacquer scratches, but I'm a little scared as I've heard you can burn through if you don't know what you're doing. I settled recently for going over the worst areas with Farecla G3 manually with a waffle pad. It's certainly helped, but is by no means anywhere near as good as a skilled machine polish.
As for polishes, I've bought so many over the years and can't really tell a lot of difference. I've used Autoglym super resin polish followed by their extra gloss protection on the brera. I've then got colour magic for the Giulietta and 145 (red and grey). I honestly can't tell any different between them all.
And then there's waxes which I didn't realise were different to polishes.
I think that unless the car is brand new or worth a great deal and immaculate to start with, most brands of polish will do the job.

Another product which I'm quite a fan of are waterless wash and wax cleaners. My 145 hasn't seen water since I bought it in June 17! It hasn't been out in the rain, is SORN over winter and therefore only gets dusty when outside or in the garage. Rather than wash with water I use the Williams Waterless stuff and it cleans and polishes up well - even the plastics and rubber. When used with a good microfibre cloth, it doesn't seem to scratch or leave swirl marks either. It's also good for spot cleaning e.g. removing splattered flies and bird poo.

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