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post 10th May 2016 13:57
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Hi all, new to the forum.

Bought an alfa 145 1.6 ts last week as a project to try and get her back on the road. She's been off the road six months and paid very little for her. Usual rusty floor which I've already started. Other issues are brakes need renewed, timing belt kit, two tyres, cracked windscreen and crack in rear bumper. The front subframe plate looks quite shabby too but haven't got that far yet. Looking forward to the next couple of months getting her sorted with my 10 yr old son as my wing man.
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post 10th May 2016 14:19
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Howdy mate, welcom, well done and good luck, this place has a mine of information smile.gif
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post 11th May 2016 06:29
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Checked underneath tonight. Not too bad except managed to put screwdriver straight through leg of front subframe. Can anyone tell me of a gtv/spider subframe will fit the car? Cheers nik
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post 17th May 2016 15:57
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Underside all welded up and treated. Took the subframe off today. Quite shocked at the condition tbh. Anyone seen worse than this!

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post 18th May 2016 12:46
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Howdy mate, welcom, well done and good luck, this place has a mine of information smile.gif

cheers waynedear.
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post 18th May 2016 22:05
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Underside all welded up and treated. Took the subframe off today. Quite shocked at the condition tbh. Anyone seen worse than this!



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post 19th May 2016 00:19
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That is pretty shocking. Makes you wonder what the rest of the underside of the car is (was) like. You got any before and after photos of the welding?

I would look closely at the front suspension turrets because if the subframe is in that state then I wouldn't be surprised if the turrets also needed a bit of attention.

The rear axle frame is made of the same type/gauge of steel so what is that like?


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post 19th May 2016 09:03
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That is pretty shocking. Makes you wonder what the rest of the underside of the car is (was) like. You got any before and after photos of the welding?

I would look closely at the front suspension turrets because if the subframe is in that state then I wouldn't be surprised if the turrets also needed a bit of attention.

The rear axle frame is made of the same type/gauge of steel so what is that like?

The suspension turrets are surprisingly ok. No rust I think they may have been replaced already. The rear subframe has slight surface rust but nothing major all the rubbers look in good condition too and no play.
The underside wasn't that bad to be honest. I had to cut out a 10 inch section by the rear seat belt anchor point on the n/s. Both front sides of the floor pan are solid with no rust at all by the sills as are the joins in the middle. The drain holes under the rear seat well are OK too from both above and below.

I never took before photos of the underside but will post some after pics. Just need to source a new subframe now, looking at a gtv one at the weekend which looks identical but will take the old one to compare, then new wishbones, drop links, arb bushes (maybe arb too). Tbh if I noticed the corrosion on the subframe I might have walked away when I looked at it but I missed it as I couldn't get under it at the time.
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post 19th May 2016 16:44
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Here's the bad side welded up and painted. Was awkward being on a gravel drive but happy with the results.
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That looks a pretty good job. I can't even see where the welded in section is! I'm currently doing mine but it's a lot worse than yours and is taking me a (very) long time to complete mainly due to lack of spare time and other higher priority commitments. The drivers side that I did a couple of years ago is HERE and I'm currently about 3/4 way through tackling the passenger side which is worse and I've had to cut out pretty much a quarter of the floorpan. I need to get round to uploading all my current photos for that at some point.

As for using a 916 GTV subframe I think you're going to find that it's not quite the same. The 916 is built on a different chassis than the 145/146 so the subframe also differs. Looking at the parts catalogue they certainly have different part numbers and the two illustrations also have subtle differences. While you can't always go by parts catalogue illustrations, I tend to find that the Fiat ones are usually fairly accurately drawn.

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The subframe on the 145/146 is shared with the following cars (which are incidentally all built on the Fiat Tipo chassis):
  • Fiat Brava/Bravo (1995-2001)
  • Fiat Coupe (1994-2000)
  • Fiat Marea (1994-2002)
  • Fiat Tempra (1993-1996)
  • Fiat Tipo (1987-1995)
  • Alfa 155 (1992-1997)
  • Lancia Dedra (1989-1999)
  • Lancia Delta (1993-1999)


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post 20th May 2016 00:03
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Thanks for the info gialloevo94. Strangely the frame taken off my car looks exactly the same as the gtv one that's local . I know its only going off photos but they seem to have the same ridges bumps and holes in the same places. Actually the one off mine looks more like the gtv one in your post above. It might be possible he's advertising it wrong or maybe I have the wrong one on (less likely). Do you think it would be worth travelling 20 miles to compare? I think I might struggle to find one if they are different. Decisions!!
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post 20th May 2016 00:23
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Yes, I think it is definitely worth a 40 mile round trip to find out, even if you end up coming away with nothing. At least we will then know for sure whether or not a 916 subframe is compatible with the 145/146 so it will provide some valuable information to the forum, certainly for anyone else also potentially looking to do the same.

It's difficult to tell from 2 photos taken at different angles but your one actually looks more like the 916 one in the parts catalogue drawing than the actual 916 one does!

I can see a few minor differences but I guess the main points to check are obviously that all the important bolt hole and mounting points are in the same place so it will just mean taking some very careful measurements.

Please let us know what your findings are.


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post 20th May 2016 14:13
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Yes I'll trying get this weekend and report back
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post 20th May 2016 20:03
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These are better pictures of 2 different 916 subframe and mine with the leg missing (middle pic) Definitely going to see this weekend as I'm even more convinced they're the same or very very very similar.
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post 20th May 2016 23:39
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Hi Mate welcome to the Forum.

They look identical to yours and if it's a nice sunny day then 20 miles is an excuse for a drive.

Here are mine that I took off and later had 'done' in 2014.

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With ARB

Hope this helps.


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post 21st May 2016 21:25
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Hi Mate welcome to the Forum.

They look identical to yours and if it's a nice sunny day then 20 miles is an excuse for a drive.

Here are mine that I took off and later had 'done' in 2014.

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With ARB

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Cracking job on them mate. If the one I get end up half as nice as that I'll be happy. Ive noticed that yours is different again from mine. It's not got the two big holes on the top.
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post 27th May 2016 14:09
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Well, mixed results on the gtv subframe question. I missed out on the one that was local. According to another source who I bought a 145 subframe off the gtv does have the same subframe as the 145 but only some of them. He reckons if they look the same then they are. I can't prove this without seeing one to compare.
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IIRC.... on the rear of the subframe on the GTV it has 2 additional bracing struts that ATTACH to the subframe and the rest of the car, I think thats the only difference from my vague memory many years ago now.


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