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GialloEvo94
post 17th October 2008 15:52
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I'm looking at possibly moving into the 20th century with stereo technology by replacing the bog standard 10-year old factory-fitted Sony Tape Deck / CD-Changer head unit with a more modern one.

I would like one with Bluetooth and also USB functionality, and was also hoping to try and also retain the CD-Changer functionality with the existing Sony CD-Changer in the boot but unfortunately the only head unit that Sony does with both Bluetooth and USB (MEX-BT3600U) doesn't have CD-Changer capabilities. The Sony one that does have Bluetooth and CD-Changer capabilities (MEX-BT5100) doesn't have USB rolleyes.gif As USB is my preference over CD-Changer functionality it looks like I will therefore have to bin the idea of still being able to utilise my current CD-Changer.

The only *concern* I have over the Sony unit is that the USB port is on the front and not a trailing lead from the back as some units have. I'm in two minds as to whether the USB slot being on the front is a good thing or a bad thing. The pros are that there is no faffing about trying to find a cable in the back of the glovebox to plug a USB stick into, but the cons are that a USB stick will be protruiding quite a long way out from the front and for security I would have to remove it every time I leave the car. With the "lead in the glovebox" systems it would be hidden so no need to remove it all the time. Does anyone have experience of a front-mounted USB stereo or any other thoughts on this to help me try and make up my mind?

These are the two units I've currently shortlisted as potential candidates (click for links to the detailed info):-The Pioneer does actually have CD-Changer capabilities in addition to both Bluetooth and USB but it can't be connected to a Sony CD-Changer and I'm not paying for a new Pioneer CD-Changer just as a nice-to-have. Therefore, the CD-Changer option on that one is pretty much irrelevant.


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post 17th October 2008 16:29
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my personal preference is audio input on the front so you can plug anything that takes headphones directly into it whether its an ipod, tele, mobile phone, plus if someone else is in the car with there mp3 player they can plug it in, one lead fits all
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post 17th October 2008 16:45
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IMO, go for the Pioneer. It looks smart. If you a very very serious music listener and listen to about five cd's a day then go for all that 'fancy stuff'.

Look at it this way, if you swop between cd's all the time whilst driving, then go for the 'fancy stuff', if however you don't particularly do that. Then why get all the gimmicks, I would just get something simple.
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post 17th October 2008 17:40
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My blaupunkt hamburg has served me well. The understated design suits the dash (in my opinion) and the bluetooth phone connection works well. The current plan is to fit a surface-mount USB socket in the dash like the current 147/159s.
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post 19th October 2008 22:10
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Well I went to a car audio specialist today and had a look at what was on offer in the flesh.

I have to say that I was very disappointed with the Pioneer DEH-P700BT unit which before seeing I was very tempted to go for. The most offputting thing about it was the main "controller disc" on the left hand side which is a hideous device that can best described as a cross between a knob and a joystick. To operate various functions you press the edges of the disc and it flexes over on what feels like a rubbery shaft. It really did feel quite horrible to use...I don't know what the Pioneer designers were thinking of when they came up with that one. Anyone who sees one in real life will see exactly what I mean. The rest of the functionality is great but that controller disc alone was enough to wipe the DEH-700BT off my shortlist.

The Kenwood KDC-BT8041U is also a really nice unit in the flesh and has all the functionality I'm looking for so now it's a toss up between that one and the Sony and the Sony MEX-BT3600U.


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post 20th October 2008 20:24
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I really thought that Pioneer had turned around and started making better equipment these days, but I guess with the location of the stereo in these cars, that Pioneer would be rather irratating.

I would go for the Kenwood, looks fairly straight forward and smart. No other brand you like in particular? Or are you not to fussy?
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post 20th October 2008 23:10
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I'm only fussy in terms of the equipment being a respected manufacturer in terms of car audio equipment. I looked at the Blaupunkt units but I think you either like their styling or you don't. I'm in two minds and the ones that I do like are way above the price I want to pay. Alpine is another good make but again they have some very strange designs out at the moment which you either like or you don't. Never been a real fan of JVC stuff and not that keen on the current Clarion range.

Anyway, after all the dithering about, I've finally come to a decision on the Kenwood KDC-W7541U Head Unit. It doesn't have built-in Bluetooth but can be extended to handle Bluetooth Hands-Free Phone functionality and A2DP/AVRCP Audio Streaming by using a KCA-BT200 Bluetooth Interface Unit which I also intend to get. The cost of both of those doesn't work out to be too much more than the KDC-BT8041U unit on it's own (which has native built-in Bluetooth support) but the advantage with the KDC-W7541U is that is has 3 sets of pre-outs (front, rear & sub) instead of just 2, and it also has a "5L Bus" connection socket on the back which allows for external modules to be connected (Bluetooth Interface, CD Changer etc.) which makes it much more flexible for possible future expandability if I ever go that route. The Kenwoods do have USB and auxilary inputs (both on the rear) as well as native iPod control so they can handle pretty much any external music source you throw at them.


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post 21st October 2008 06:35
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If you have decided on Kenwood then look at http://www.kenwooddirect.co.uk/ before giving your hard earned dosh to a dealer. smile.gif
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post 25th October 2008 21:19
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Why don't you get one from these blokes....? ( try the CD-300 )

They rather different
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post 25th October 2008 21:52
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QUOTE(Mason @ 25th October 2008 22:19) *
Why don't you get one from these blokes....? ( try the CD-300 )

They rather different

Whats a CD-300? The only references just returns results for a Sony camera unsure.gif

The equipment was ordered last week. The Head Unit is coming from ICEbuyer at £123 which is the cheapest place by a long shot (the next cheapest place is £148 and the average selling price is around £170 so it's a good saving). The Bluetooth Interface Unit is coming from lowcostcaraudio as they have an offer on which saves about £10 over the next cheapest seller. So all-in, just short of £200 with delivery costs.


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post 25th October 2008 21:59
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 25th October 2008 23:52) *
Whats a CD-300? The only references just returns results for a Sony camera unsure.gif


Sorry, I forgot to add the link in. It was a Nakamichi. blush.gif

So it was the Kenwood then?
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post 25th October 2008 22:09
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QUOTE(Mason @ 25th October 2008 22:59) *
Sorry, I forgot to add the link in. It was a Nakamichi. blush.gif

So it was the Kenwood then?

That Nakamichi unit doesn't seem to be available in the UK for some reason (certainly no online suppliers for it that I can find anyway). However that said, from the specs on the Nakamichi website it doesn't have any external connectivity options (no bluetooth, aux input, USB or CD changer options) so wouldn't really have fitted my requirements.

Yes, I did go for the Kenwood gear. I hope I made the right decision. I guess I'll find out once it arrives and I've managed to install it.


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post 26th October 2008 09:09
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 25th October 2008 22:09) *
That Nakamichi unit doesn't seem to be available in the UK for some reason (certainly no online suppliers for it that I can find anyway). However that said, from the specs on the Nakamichi website it doesn't have any external connectivity options (no bluetooth, aux input, USB or CD changer options) so wouldn't really have fitted my requirements.

Yes, I did go for the Kenwood gear. I hope I made the right decision. I guess I'll find out once it arrives and I've managed to install it.


Alrite guys, you'll probabley laugh at me when i say this but i recently bought a stereo from ALDI!
Its got bluetooth hands free, USB, memory card slot and a headphone jack too!
Sound quality is better than my pioneer (100) stereo, all this for

49.99!
Cant go wrong
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post 26th October 2008 13:56
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 26th October 2008 00:09) *
That Nakamichi unit doesn't seem to be available in the UK for some reason (certainly no online suppliers for it that I can find anyway). However that said, from the specs on the Nakamichi website it doesn't have any external connectivity options (no bluetooth, aux input, USB or CD changer options) so wouldn't really have fitted my requirements.

Yes, I did go for the Kenwood gear. I hope I made the right decision. I guess I'll find out once it arrives and I've managed to install it.


Sounds good, that Nakamichi is really different. One either likes or dis-likes it. But is real good quality.


That is a fair amount of dosh you spent on the head unit. What speakers/amp do you have? I will be interested in how the unit fits in...? I battled with mine, and even today it don't sit to well. Its a little loose...
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post 26th October 2008 17:42
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QUOTE(Mason @ 26th October 2008 13:56) *
That is a fair amount of dosh you spent on the head unit. What speakers/amp do you have? I will be interested in how the unit fits in...? I battled with mine, and even today it don't sit to well. Its a little loose...

I didn't actually think that price was too bad for a decent make system with stacks of functionality & expandability. Mind you, I've been out of the stereo market for quite some time and there seem to be quite a lot of stereos around these days with a lot of features for not a lot of money. The last stereo I bought (some 8 or 9 years ago) was a Pioneer KEH-P8600R head unit which cost me £500 alone without any additional extras. Previous to that I had a Pioneer KEH-P9600RDS which was £600 although some toe-rag broke into the car and nicked it.

Currently I'm on the standards speakers but will look to change those in the near future. I'll let you know how I get on with the fitting of the head unit.


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post 26th October 2008 18:09
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 26th October 2008 19:42) *
I didn't actually think that price was too bad for a decent make system with stacks of functionality & expandability. Mind you, I've been out of the stereo market for quite some time and there seem to be quite a lot of stereos around these days with a lot of features for not a lot of money. The last stereo I bought (some 8 or 9 years ago) was a Pioneer KEH-P8600R head unit which cost me 500 alone without any additional extras. Previous to that I had a Pioneer KEH-P9600RDS which was 600 although some toe-rag broke into the car and nicked it.

Currently I'm on the standards speakers but will look to change those in the near future. I'll let you know how I get on with the fitting of the head unit.



I don't know the prices there but over here, one can get the real high end equipment for that money. Its a pity the newer Pioneer was not up to standard, I sense a bit of a Pioneer fan here.

I changed my front and rear speakers with more modern items, but simply run them off my head unit. I can't be bothered trying to fit a amp and then trying to run cables and all that nonsense. Try squeeze in some new front speakers, nothing expensive, it will make a huge difference.
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post 26th October 2008 20:28
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QUOTE(Mason @ 26th October 2008 18:09) *
I don't know the prices there but over here, one can get the real high end equipment for that money. Its a pity the newer Pioneer was not up to standard, I sense a bit of a Pioneer fan here.

I changed my front and rear speakers with more modern items, but simply run them off my head unit. I can't be bothered trying to fit a amp and then trying to run cables and all that nonsense. Try squeeze in some new front speakers, nothing expensive, it will make a huge difference.

Well, when you consider the price of fuel at the moment it is only the equivilent of 2 tanks of petrol in the UK rolleyes.gif I used to love the Pioneer stuff but they seem to have gone a bit off track with their way-out designs in recent times.

With previous cars I've always gone the whole hog and fitted individual amps for the fronts, rears and sub but this time I will probably just stick with the head unit outputs and the 4 in-car speakers although something better than the standard ones smile.gif


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Well, when you consider the price of fuel at the moment it is only the equivilent of 2 tanks of petrol in the UK rolleyes.gif


Wow..... That is rather heavy blink.gif

For me, an equivalent radio is about 5 tanks of fuel...

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Hi All,

Bit late for this reply but never too late! smile.gif

Not to hijack this thread.....

But I've owned a Nakamichi and currently have my BRILLIANT Nak CD-400 for sale.
So if anyone wants one of the best sound quality head units ever produced, then let me know.

Anyhow...

The Pioneer DEH-P700BT is a cracking unit!!!
3x hi volt pre-outs,
USB, Aux-in, P-Bus for expandability too.
RGB colour, flip front, 4x 50 Mosfet amp,
iPod direct (charge and full control)
Built in B/Tooth with included mic...

What more could you need????

Granted you may not initially likeed the feel of the rotary commander. but then you probably tried it with your right hand in the store. It's designed to be easy to use while in the car- used mainly with your left hand for when its installed. By having this all in one menu it removes the buttons off the front of the fascia cleaning it up making it look far better and easier to use! Compare it to anything else in comparison and you'll see what I mean.

Still.. it's your choice and the fact you purchased the seperate components already means you made the choice right for you. smile.gif

Anyone else.. Sony is Pony! haha.

Let us know once you've installed it as to what it's like.. be interested to see how you got on. smile.gif
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Installed the head unit this morning in about 20 mins flat. Then another hour looking at and setting up the various options. Looks and sounds fantastic even with the standard speakers although I'll look into upgrading those when I can in the not too distant future. I'll be putting the bluetooth interface unit in tomorrow after I've got some stick-on velcro strips as it's going inside the centre console and I don't want to drill any unnecessary holes. With the separate bluetooth unit, the Kenwood has everything the Pioneer has without the stupid navigator knob/joystick and so far I'm very pleased with it biggrin.gif


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