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post 1st March 2011 18:24
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http://pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23267
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post 1st March 2011 18:32
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I like that.

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post 1st March 2011 18:42
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FIRST LOOK AT ALFA ROMEO'S 4C GTA SHOWCAR AHEAD OF ITS PREMIÈRE TOMORROW

An artist's impression of Alfa Romeo's new showcar ahead of it's Geneva motor show tomorrow gives the best impression yet of the concept 4C GTA which will be closely based on KTM's ultra-lightweight 'track day special' X-Bow. Both Italian monthly magazine Quattroruote, which drew the impression, and Automotive News, have quoted sources familiar with the project as saying that it offers a very good likeness of the sports car concept that will be presented tomorrow.

The 4C GTA's styling unashamedly draws on Alfa Romeo's rich history and is in effect a scaled down version of the 8C Competizione with, the designers' also claiming, influence from the slippery Franco Scaglioni-penned, limited-edition 2.0 V8-engined Alfa 33 Stradale from the 1970s. This historical thinking can be seen in the rear 3/4 panel engine-cooling air intakes. The 4C GTA, as well as it's 8C Competizione influenced proportions and surfaces, carries over styling details such as the front wing vents, front spoiler lip and the headlights which are slightly more angular. The traditional front grille in the Quattroruote image meanwhile is firmly in the Zagato styling mould.

To create the new showcar, the in-house the designers at Alfa Romeo Centro Stile used the chassis and underpinnings of the KTM X-Bow, with Dallara, the Italian race car manufacturer which builds the carbon-fibre monocoque for the Austrian motorcycle company, creating new enclosed-cockpit carbon fibre bodywork for a car that is usually sold in a stripped-bare 'roadster' format. Some changes have been made to the monocoque to anchor the new bodywork which is also produced out of carbon fibre while the development of the interior has had to be thought out to take into account the X-Bow's high push-rod suspension packaging.

Alfa Romeo's 4-cylinder 1750 TBi turbo engine which, currently in its highest power specification (in the Giulietta QV), produces 235 HP, will be fitted in the rear. The production X-Bow – ironically, in light of VW’s pursuit of the brand – uses Audi’s turbocharged direct-injection 1,984cc TFSI engine, a unit that will form the mainstay of the new Alfa Romeo range when the VW Group is eventually successful in prising the 100-year-old brand out of Fiat’s grasp. The TFSI unit produces 240 HP and 310 Nm of torque with a 0-100 km/h time of 3.9 seconds. In the guise of the 4C GTA, power will rise only slightly to 250 HP.

Alfa Romeo also claims that the X-Bow's suspension has been reworked but as this is essentially a showcar it is unclear whether this is spin or of substance. Weight will rise by around 60 kgs thanks to the enveloping new bodywork and the 4C GTA's more production-specific cockpit.

There are however no plans to take the concept in to production, rather it gives the ailing brand a much needed touch of luster at a point where it has effectively been reduced to just two key models, the Giulietta and Mito; the former proving an instant hit since it arrived in the showrooms while the latter has lost it's initial shine. Most likely the key thinking behind the 4C GTA is to create a real visual boost to Alfa Romeo's waning fortunes inside the global spotlight that falls on the Geneva Palexpo during the international motor show which may help the ongoing negotiations with VW to sell a brand that is losing value.

With the KTM X-Bow starting at around 52,000 euros (plus taxes) and Dallara having developed a new full bodywork section in carbon fibre, all along with the fitting of a trimmed cabin, it would be simply unfeasible to develop the project to a point where the loss per unit justified the potential halo effect. Automotive News has today suggested a sale price of 45,000 euros, which it claims comes from project insiders, a figure which is already well below the base cost of the spartan, open topped X-Bow, before all the upgrades are taken into account. The citing of a 2012 production target is also distant enough for the 4C GTA project to be long-forgotten before that date looms around.

Fiat's senior management are also aware that while the recent limited-edition 8C Competizione was very well received and gained much publicity it is difficult to perceive where this sports car actually translated into brand-wide sales. The 8C Competizione was also an expensive project which diverted management and design time. Fiat CEO Sergio Marchionne, who as the hands on FGA chief has the final say on any green light given to a project within Fiat Group Automobiles, is noted for his pragmatism when it comes to volumes, and he would be highly unlikely to sign off the cost associated with this project.



(vir: http://www.italiaspeed.com/2011/cars/alfa_..._gta/2802.html)
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post 1st March 2011 19:11
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ooo wow I like that!


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post 1st March 2011 19:54
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IN LOVE, is it ok to marry a car, not sure the mrs would be impressed with ' but dear you dont have a carbon fibre chassis' in all fairness
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post 2nd March 2011 07:59
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That is f**king beauuuuuuuuuuuutiful!


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post 2nd March 2011 11:00
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That is f**king beauuuuuuuuuuuutiful!



I just rated it a 10 on the PH ometer worshippy.gif worshippy.gif

get the average over 8.89 folks.


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post 2nd March 2011 11:41
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it is just fantastic! what a brill idea this car is! way better than the stupid new 147 which I cant spell!


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post 2nd March 2011 12:17
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You mean the Giulietta Nath?
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post 2nd March 2011 14:51
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yeah lol

everytime I see one on the road I dislike it more and more sad.gif its just not an alfa! but I love the idea of a 4C biggrin.gif


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post 2nd March 2011 15:58
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A good post from the alfaowner forum:

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Alfa Romeo Press Office June 2013: "After several months delay, the long-awaited 4C GTA will be in showrooms by the end of October. Styled after the concept car that saw light at the 2011 Geneva car, the production version has been re-engineered to fit on the stretched Abarth 500 chassis, and is front wheel drive with the 1.4 litre MultiAir petrol engine tuned to give 165 bhp. This combined with the kerb weight of 1320kg gives sparkling performance........ 0-60 in 7.1 seconds and a top speed of over 129 mph. The carbon fibre chassis of the concept car was deemed to be too expensive for production and to ensure common parts across the Fiat range, much of the carbon fibre trim is now a decorative foil.
There is also a diesel version, and the 140 bhp JTDm2 engine can give up to 48mpg on the urban cycle.
The car is only available with the Dualogic gearbox pioneered on the Fiat 500 and will be left hand drive only.
Prices start at £54,500 with the Satin Lava Red paintwork a £1850 option"

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QUOTE(airmike @ 2nd March 2011 15:58) *
A good post from the alfaowner forum:
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"0-60 in 7.1 seconds and a top speed of over 129 mph" (so 129.1 mph then).

If that info is correct then it's pretty crap for a roadster type car that costs in excess of £54,000. with those figures I can't see many people buying except people with too much money who just want another toy in their garage for summer days.


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post 2nd March 2011 16:07
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 2nd March 2011 17:05) *
"0-60 in 7.1 seconds and a top speed of over 129 mph" (so 129.1 mph then).

If that info is correct then it's pretty crap for a roadster type car that costs in excess of £54,000. with those figures I can't see many people buying except people with too much money who just want another toy in their garage for summer days.


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QUOTE(airmike @ 2nd March 2011 16:07) *
That post is pure sarcasm wink.gif

OK...I guess I completely missed the point laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post 2nd March 2011 16:14
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thats a rip off! Fiat need to sort there heads out otherwise they deserve to go bankrupt! and that is slow...once again they will loose out the MX5 bummers.


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clicky click

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post 2nd March 2011 17:37
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its not true nath, think 0-60 in under 5 seconds, look at the KTM X-Bow for similar performance, it's the same chassis.


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dunno why they keep making prity cars with let say less than great performance to its competitors...

brera
guiletta
mito
this new 4c

all nice looking cars, all get wiped out in performace in its similar cars in its catagoery

sad when the best brera is a diesel..... alfa's should not be about looks over performance. I dunno if they are trying to compramize performance, to gain reliabilty.. but we all love alfas for there performance and sacrifice reliability..... and reliability aint even that bad, just the d**ks that cant add oil to their cars, give us bad names tongue.gif


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At lewast they made a pretty 147 in the gt lol
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Even this quotes the power figures very low, how disappointing, a very expensive car with not a lot of performance= alfa being sold to volswagen soon then

Im gutted if its true cuz for 50 grand its crap value when a mito cloverleaf is just as fast
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