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Antonio
post 2nd November 2017 23:29
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Hi!

It's been almost 2 years since I own this beloved 146 smile.gif


Well, this came home after a thorough search, I was looking for something special for me, but not overpriced, looked for a Delta 1.8 HPE, 145 Cloverleaf (ended up with one at the end whistle.gif ), Tipo Sedicivalvole, Punto Gt...even looked out Fiat's door searching for C20XE equipped Vauxhall Astra, Ford Fiesta Turbo(CVH). All the search ended when I found what is a little gem here, as there are only few 146 Ti compared to his brother 145 Qv, in months of search only found older ones of 1995-6, but this one was one of the last, with the facelift and CF2 engine....some Alfistis here claims that only three 146 Ti Ph3 were sold in Spain...that can be true as I've only seen three units, including mine's. Here it's a ph3 I would say, as there were 3 gens of 145/146 on here (ph1:Boxer engines-from 1994 to 1996-, ph2: Boxer replaced with TS16v, round air vents on the interior.. -from 1997 to 1999-, ph3: from 1999 to 2000, 2.0 TD replaced by 1.9 JTD, new bumpers, seats and chrome inserts on the interior except Base trim).












I bought it from a Gypsy, so it had next to none look to care and maintenance, but it had a pretty good base to start with, so it's been almost 2 years stored on the garage to finally see the light again, but to go the shed where I work on my cars





I've expent plenty of hours working on it, and discovered some downsides that will extend the needed time to reach a car that works and looks as it should, but I'm doing good progress, so I will explain the jobs done on nexts posts.


Cheers!
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dante giacosa
post 3rd November 2017 09:12
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ooh!

I'm SO looking forward to this!

leather interior- wow; what I wouldn't give for a tan leather interior for a 146...

Interesting- the B-pillar and tailgate top are NOT black. I've noticed all non UK cars appear to have black vinyl between the side windows and on the top edge of the tailgate, above the glass- before the actual roof.

Also- the bumper rubbing strips appear to have been painted silver too?
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post 6th November 2017 00:38
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We need pics! Lots of um!!


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FactoryOsaruJPN
post 8th November 2017 04:19
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Wow!
Nice interior,and good looking outside.
What seems to be the problem in driving on the road?
I guess there can't be any issues at a glance.

I also look forward to your next post.



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post 15th March 2018 23:05
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I'm sorry that never replied to the people who wrote here..now it's time to show step-by-step how the project is (sloowly) going, but at first:



QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 3rd November 2017 12:12) *
ooh!

I'm SO looking forward to this!

leather interior- wow; what I wouldn't give for a tan leather interior for a 146...

Interesting- the B-pillar and tailgate top are NOT black. I've noticed all non UK cars appear to have black vinyl between the side windows and on the top edge of the tailgate, above the glass- before the actual roof.

Also- the bumper rubbing strips appear to have been painted silver too?

dante, if you look at press pics of MY'99 unit, all seems to have the doors and tailgate fully body coloured. The bumper strips are painted in body colour in Ti versions coolio.gif


QUOTE(FactoryOsaruJPN @ 8th November 2017 07:19) *
Wow!
Nice interior,and good looking outside.
What seems to be the problem in driving on the road?
I guess there can't be any issues at a glance.

I also look forward to your next post.

As always, the pics mimmics the aesthetics, but whole front end is in quite bad shape with dents, disaligned panels, paint peeling and so on. One of the hinges of the driver's door is mostly broken and the same if I look at the reinforcement plate of tailgate lock and much much more like absence of fabric on roof lining, burnt A and C pillars interior trim...nothing scary but all adds up. The engine sounded like a bag of nuts, broken CV boots, gearbox leaking (always happens on C510..). Even with all that, it did +300km going to its new home just fine, but to be fair I never revved it past 4500rpm and/or WOT so who knows...all in all it needed a good look and that is what I'm doing ATM, keep an eye at the thread as I had found some surprises down the road wink.gif


Tomorrow I will start to add content to the thread and I will try to do frequent updates 146.gif

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post 16th March 2018 09:05
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Hey Antonio; good to hear from you

when you say 'C510', do you mean that is the gearbox spec..?

Also- I've just noticed; what is that under your bonnet, in-between the battery fuses/relay box and air filter..?

Is it an aftermarket alarm or something..?
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post 16th March 2018 15:14
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dante, C510 means the gearbox type, widely used on smaller engines of FCA till today. Yes, it is an aftermarket alarm, but I will trash it, I don't have any remote for it plus I can't see any advantage in this kind of cars nowadays.

Well, just after I took it home after being parked for a year I started to look a bit deeper into car's health, so first step was to look at the belts and compression pressure





The belts didn't look bad, but the cambelt wasn't tight enough and the both counter-rotating shafts and cambelt weren't timed correctly..Compression test showed good values with four cylinder rounding 1.1MPa. Even with this good values I wanted to take off the engine to change the variator and anti-drain valve, seals and so on, so the work began!





Ready to take it off from the 146



Going down..




All came pretty good with no side damages biggrin.gif




Now with the engine out, I could take a deeper look at front subframe. Took out the front fender and headlights and all I found wasn't good sad.gif








The only damaged I knew from first time was the one next to the battery tray, mostly caused by the acid. As the pics show, front crossmember has been hit and is badly repaired. Also, looks like the sealant used at the factory didn't work well as there are rust spots behind it..




Keep an eye here, I will post more in some hours, why the image limit per post?? rant.gif
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post 16th March 2018 19:52
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Moving on to another area, I'm sourcing some parts I will need tongue.gif









Also, as I only have the Master key, I'm sourcing used fobs, mostly looks pretty bad but this could be saved




Cleaning it, lock switch is missing plus fubared battery




This is how it looks now, new switch soldered, battery and switch's rubber



My goal with thi car is not only to make it look good again but to improve it in some areas, something like a "restomod"?So I'm sourcing some parts to do so





And some goddies couldn't lack here, I'm in doubt in fitting them, I really like the OEM teledials..



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post 3rd December 2018 23:08
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Hi everybody!

It's been few difficult months to make good progress on the Ti, now things look different after lots of work..so from now I will try to update the thread more frequently rolleyes.gif Though the image limit per post is quite annoying..



With the engine out, I began to remove all the auxiliary components and supports carefully, to be able to strip the head and the block later





Some time later, the intake manifold is out, giving a lot of room to keep stripping it





Then I pushed a bit harder and head was out, only remainig the block and gearbox





When I took out the gearbox, also I took a look to the clutch. Surprisingly, it was almost new, the disc even had the painted markings on the friction area of the clutch disc...the pressure plate showed also little signs of use as well





After giving a look at the gearbox, moved on again to the engine, to completely strip the block




The sump had quite a lot of sludge but almost any noticeable debris, which is good worshippy.gif




Then, loosened the main bearing caps bolts and conrod bolts to get the crank out




With the crank out, was time to take a look to the bearing shells,crank pins and so on..big end shells doesn's look terribly bad but there are clear signs that oil had sludge or residues that made those nasty marks on them..also on the central main bearings. Knowing that this engine are prone to bearing failures, I was happy because there weren't any major damage.






Then with the cylinders, they had some fine vertical lines a the top, some of them were quite notable, even though the compression was measured while the engine still was on the car and got almost 11bar with slight variations on all four cylinders..




With all the important things disassembled, I took the right tools to evaluate the real condition of the engine, not only evaluating it by the looks but with number values tongue.gif blink.gif







The crank was within tolerances, confirmed with micrometer and Plastigauge. The cylinders had only a bit of taper so easily reusable, but the little marks annoyed me so looked at the part's shed and had a spare block which used to replace the internals of the engine of father's 155...had lots of corrosion on cooling circuit but perfectly useful if cleaned and prepped properly.





As the engine sounded like a bag of nuts, also took a look at the head and plastigauged all camshaft journals which again were within tolerances. Variator shells looked bad suffering also from dirty oil as the crank bearings..





Moving on to another things, the exhaust was really rusty with lots of holes and leaks. Considering that is the OEM one, maybe they never changed it before..





That's all what image limit per post allows me to do, I will come back here with more works on the car,


Thanks!


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post 4th December 2018 11:19
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Hey Antonio!

great to hear from you!

I CAN'T BELIEVE how far you are going with this- it must be great to have the facilities to take it on; some of this footage is amazing


I'm sorry to say (i'm not sure how) but I completely missed your post from March?

So- there's a lot to soak up!
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post 5th December 2018 11:56
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 4th December 2018 11:19) *
Hey Antonio!

great to hear from you!

I CAN'T BELIEVE how far you are going with this- it must be great to have the facilities to take it on; some of this footage is amazing


Yes, that's great work on the 146!

(And don't worry about the image limit - just add more posts!)
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Also - if you have time, please post some pictures of the dashboard and centre console - we didn't get the last version (like yours) here in the UK...

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