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JeremyG
post 11th May 2018 10:08
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 7th May 2018 20:15) *
Back in Edinburgh now- 146.gif didn't miss a beat- despite an hour of stationary traffic on the M6 this afternoon.

(Sorry- I'm hijacking your thread)

All of this should be in brackets...

Hijack away - glad to see you're confident enough to drive the 146 from north to south and back again!

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It fired - but only just. And I struggled to get it to rev much above tickover - and only by gently increasing revs to around 3k, after which they'd drop back down towards tickover again. Feels like I'm not getting enough fuel pressure... so more investigation to do there.

What are your thoughts: blocked filter, or the wrong pump?


Fitted a new fuel filter this morning - but this has not improved things. The engine still won't rev above tickover. I'm not sure where to look next to fix this - any suggestions would be appreciated... (although one thought I had was to swap in the fuel rail from my Spider - to eliminate the injectors and fuel pressure regulator).

Posted the same question on Alfaowner here:

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/engines-ts-...ml#post17161745

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post 11th May 2018 18:38
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 7th May 2018 08:54) *
On the Y-piece - no point in attempting a repair, by the sound of things - so I'll go straight for a replacement!

In fact: just ordered one here:

http://www.ricambio.co.uk/75-alfa-romeo/19...fiat-alfa-romeo


Got two lovely new Y-pieces from the nice people at Ricambio International earlier in the week. Water is now reaching the screen jets - but alas, with neither the power nor volume that will be required to pass an MoT test.

Old cars are a pain, aren't they???

What do you reckon - search for blockages in the pipework/nozzles? Or just replace the pump?

(And frankly, I think the same choice applies for the fuel supply, too...)

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post 12th May 2018 12:45
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replace the pump Jeremy

There's no alternative- that's what I did with mine (/ours)- try for an original one from eBay...
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post 13th May 2018 22:17
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 7th May 2018 09:04) *
Oh!

So, you think BOTH holes are for the siren?

I've never had mine out, so I don't know 'exactly' how it interfaces with those parts.

(In the FIAT Coupé world- there is a silicone membrane 'vent' in exactly the same position, which does indeed have a cabin ventilation functionality- the alarm is under a front wing!


Separately- do YOU recognise THIS gas station??!!


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Nice motor worshippy.gif


Got the same problem with my water jets.. none existent. A pain driving into the a head on summer evening sun.


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post 14th May 2018 11:08
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Yesterday I removed my washer and coolant header tanks for cleaning - the former because I discovered the filter on the washer pump was full of gunk; the latter because - well, why not do them both?

I'll reassemble the pumps into the washer tank before refitting - will save a few skinned knuckles that way, I reckon.

The new pump is extremely effective at pumping water from a beer glass, but is a third party unit with wider bore outlets - necessitating some replacement tubing. I'm keeping the original pipework so I can revert to original spec if needed... but that can wait until I get it through the MoT...

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was that from a beer glass into your mouth..?!! biggrin.gif



are there bleed holes in the block for coolant refilling..?
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 14th May 2018 12:19) *
was that from a beer glass into your mouth..?!! biggrin.gif
are there bleed holes in the block for coolant refilling..?


Bleeding not required, I hope, as I've only lost the fluid in the header tank itself. The water level is still visible in the outlet pipe, just below the top.

No sign of any anti-freeze, though... good job it's summer...

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oh yes; I see what you mean-

so it's just a top-up afterwards, rather than a 'refill'...?
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Yes, exactly. When I get round to a cambelt change I'll replace the water pump and the coolant.
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The tanks cleaned up nicely so I refitted them today... I also discovered a patch of rust on the outside of the inner wing, adjacent to the washer bottle. It was a few square inches, so I treated it with Dinitrol RC900 and a coat of black Hamerite.

Washer bottle and pumps in:

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Header tank:

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And now, turbo-powered washer jets!:

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So, another job done.

(And as it happens, I think what was stopping the washers from working was gunk on the intake filter. But a fresh pump can't do any harm.)

Unfortunately: no sign of output from the rear washer. Not quite sure how I'll find the blockage there: the weak point where the pipe passes the hinge and into the tailgate looks OK... but that's not an MoT fail, right?

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Next job: get the engine running again...
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good effort on the inner wing Jeremy

I've got the same task outstanding in the same place. But i also have new (old stock) replacement front bumper supports, which incorporate the 'shelf' which the washer bottle sits on. I'll need to get round to it at some point this year.
I was thinking I'd need to take the wings clean off to do it, but, I'll have to see...

that's a puzzler about the rear washer isn't it.. Does the feed go up the A pillar and through the roof? Or does it run the length of the car at floor level? I don't remember seeing it at floor level in mine when I had the interior out.
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 16th May 2018 13:43) *
good effort on the inner wing Jeremy

I've got the same task outstanding in the same place. But i also have new (old stock) replacement front bumper supports, which incorporate the 'shelf' which the washer bottle sits on. I'll need to get round to it at some point this year.
I was thinking I'd need to take the wings clean off to do it, but, I'll have to see...


I think you'll be OK for access by just removing the wing liner - that's what I've just done to remove the washer tank, obviously.

QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 16th May 2018 13:43) *
that's a puzzler about the rear washer isn't it.. Does the feed go up the A pillar and through the roof? Or does it run the length of the car at floor level? I don't remember seeing it at floor level in mine when I had the interior out.


This, according to the diagrams on ePer (although this ignores the route up to the hinge and down the tailgate - so may not be 100% accurate...):

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I'm hoping that by pumping fluid up to the blockage it will soften and maybe start shifting spontaneously - but I'm not holding my breath on that one...

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that's a good concept-

but what would scare me to death, would be if there was a break, perhaps where that indicated join is in the ePer diagram, and it's pumping fluid out under the carpet

might be worth a look...
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 16th May 2018 17:17) *
that's a good concept-

but what would scare me to death, would be if there was a break, perhaps where that indicated join is in the ePer diagram, and it's pumping fluid out under the carpet

might be worth a look...


... and in fact, there is a little inspection hole in the carpet in the boot at nearside corner of the car - lo and behold, the washer pipe is there with one of those one-way valves (bit like the Y-piece for the front washers) in view. Like the front, it's leaking through the centre vent - so that might be my problem.

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Good save!

As they might say in football circles.

You don't want that kind of thing going on anywhere- but in the boot; you can end up with a little lake swilling around under your spare wheel...

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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 16th May 2018 13:43) *
good effort on the inner wing Jeremy

I've got the same task outstanding in the same place. But i also have new (old stock) replacement front bumper supports, which incorporate the 'shelf' which the washer bottle sits on. I'll need to get round to it at some point this year.
I was thinking I'd need to take the wings clean off to do it, but, I'll have to see...

that's a puzzler about the rear washer isn't it.. Does the feed go up the A pillar and through the roof? Or does it run the length of the car at floor level? I don't remember seeing it at floor level in mine when I had the interior out.


I took the wing off to do mine - I think the bumper support bracket is welded to the wing rail.
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'welded' you say?

Hmm- maybe it's a job I won't be doing myself then...

I did see that they seem to be mastic-sealed to the wing rail. And then painted over.


Here is the 'same' part on my FIAT- but without the mastic-sealing...

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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 17th May 2018 09:17) *
'welded' you say?

Hmm- maybe it's a job I won't be doing myself then...

I did see that they seem to be mastic-sealed to the wing rail. And then painted over.
Here is the 'same' part on my FIAT- but without the mastic-sealing...


Mine were plug welded - to the chassis leg and wing rail

BUT

I did 'bend' mine a bit when it was a couple of years old, so was in the bodyshop - they may have replaced them and plug welded them.

I'll try and get some pictures up ..
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plug welded...

I don't know what that is, Steve- but it sounds like it explains how I can never see any fixings on them; not that I've looked terrifically hard yet.

Yes, if you had some pictures; that would be very interesting...
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