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STEVIE BOY
post 21st June 2019 03:42
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QUOTE(lancer778544 @ 20th June 2019 12:05) *
Bought these slightly cheaper on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Fiat-500...;frcectupt=true

Same P/N as the bottom ball joint pinch bolt which is why I ordered them.



Thanks guys, I've ordered some of the real McCoy's, I wonder if you could just use an appropriate sized bolt and some thread lock? I supposed you wouldnt find out until on your way into the ditch.
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post 21st June 2019 08:51
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yeah-

it's one of those classic worries isn't it?

'Is this enough??'

I work with nuts & bolts all day long and I can't see a difference; but I suspect the finite materials technology involved is a bit more subtle than just 'appearance'.

It's not bank-breaking though is it; for the genuine item...


Have you got a tightening-torque for these, Stevie..?
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post 21st June 2019 10:37
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 21st June 2019 09:51) *
Have you got a tightening-torque for these, Stevie..?


It's 67-74nm if you haven't got it Stevie smile.gif
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post 21st June 2019 10:47
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QUOTE(STEVIE BOY @ 21st June 2019 04:42) *
Thanks guys, I've ordered some of the real McCoy's, I wonder if you could just use an appropriate sized bolt and some thread lock? I supposed you wouldnt find out until on your way into the ditch.


Apparently they shouldn't even be re-used... the loads on those bolts are massive, I expect... they carry the weight of the car on that corner, plus the cornering loads...

Good to see your project moving on, Stevie - and btw what dampers did you buy - are they stock?

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post 21st June 2019 13:31
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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 21st June 2019 11:47) *
Apparently they shouldn't even be re-used... the loads on those bolts are massive, I expect... they carry the weight of the car on that corner, plus the cornering loads...

Good to see your project moving on, Stevie - and btw what dampers did you buy - are they stock?



Hi Jeremy ,
They are monroe g16598, aftermarket, that are supposed to fit the 145.....
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post 23rd June 2019 22:26
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Starting on the offside, the wishbones are really bad!! Otherwise, nothing too serious though.

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post 24th June 2019 08:02
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QUOTE(STEVIE BOY @ 23rd June 2019 23:26) *
Starting on the offside, the wishbones are really bad!! Otherwise, nothing too serious though.


If the wishbones are the same as the boxers Stevie, I picked up a pair of wishbones here and here for £24 each delivered. I also picked up a new pair of ARB droplinks for around £6.60 each here and that was definitely worth it since one of the droplinks was practically welded into the wishbone.

Replaced all those and dropped the rear subframe on the weekend, much fun...
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post 25th June 2019 13:35
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QUOTE(lancer778544 @ 24th June 2019 09:02) *
If the wishbones are the same as the boxers Stevie, I picked up a pair of wishbones here and here for £24 each delivered. I also picked up a new pair of ARB droplinks for around £6.60 each here and that was definitely worth it since one of the droplinks was practically welded into the wishbone.

Replaced all those and dropped the rear subframe on the weekend, much fun...



Now you tell me !! smile.gif

That is a bit cheaper all in than I managed....
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post 25th June 2019 14:38
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Now you tell me !! smile.gif

That is a bit cheaper all in than I managed....


Oh sorry! I didn't realise you'd already bought all the bits sad.gif
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post 25th June 2019 21:09
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That's no worries,

Cuz of the weather I've switched to refurbishing my calipers

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post 28th June 2019 16:27
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Got me new bolts and pinch nuts so I can finish off that side of the car bar waiting on a refurb kit for caliper.

Defo a 10.9 tensile bolt, but cant find out what S B E means.

Anyone know?
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post 28th June 2019 16:33
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 21st June 2019 09:51) *
yeah-

it's one of those classic worries isn't it?

'Is this enough??'

I work with nuts & bolts all day long and I can't see a difference; but I suspect the finite materials technology involved is a bit more subtle than just 'appearance'.

It's not bank-breaking though is it; for the genuine item...
Have you got a tightening-torque for these, Stevie..?



Sorry Dante, I hadn't noticed you had posted until just now.

Yes I have torque settings, see pic
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post 6th July 2019 21:25
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QUOTE(STEVIE BOY @ 21st June 2019 04:42) *
Thanks guys, I've ordered some of the real McCoy's, I wonder if you could just use an appropriate sized bolt and some thread lock? I supposed you wouldnt find out until on your way into the ditch.


When I rebuilt the 145 there was one thing I decided early on. That I was going to to use the original bolts on the following
Subframes, suspension, engine, mount bolts. I would not trust a standard bolt on these parts. A regular stainless steel bolt is threaded all the way the bolts that you mention are not. I did replace a seat belt bolt on the drivers side but I replaced it with a titanium one with a titanium nut.


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post 11th July 2019 20:17
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Having a mare.

Trying to fit my nearside lower arm , what should be simple , following ganz's how to guide, is about the most frustrating thing I've ever done.

1st arm, manufactured by vaico , 1st two outer shortest captive bolts, I get them in. Then the middle sized inner bolt closest the front of the car, with great difficulty i got it in (I had to apply a lot of pressure with a large cold chisel to get it to seat enough to take the bolt). Nightmare though was the last and longest bolt. Just half the hole in the nut lines up with the subframe hole. All sorts of adjustments , pulling, pushing, leveling, loosening , to no avail. In the end I decided it must be a dodgy arm I.e. holes not the correct distance. Whilst taking it off I split the gaitor on universal joint.

2nd arm , luckily I had a 2nd arm 'in stock' as I had a pair for my 146 I had yet to replace. This time a Mapco.

Same story ish, this time all went smoothly including the middle bolt, not the same problem with that as before, my spirits rose. Then exact same issue with the longest bolt, no where near lined up, whatever I do. All the various attempts I end up threading one of the nuts.

So two arms down, not sure what to do sad.gif do u think its possible both were cheap s**te , or am I doing something wrong?

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post 18th July 2019 17:24
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My 3rd nearside wishbone has arrived.

I bought a febi blistein which I think is a decent brand.

I'm gonna wait for my mate the godfather of bolsover to arrive in a few weeks time, before I try again.

In the mean time i want/need to buy two sets of the bolts required for the wishbones, does anyone know where they are available?

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post 18th July 2019 18:29
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QUOTE(STEVIE BOY @ 18th July 2019 18:24) *
In the mean time i want/need to buy two sets of the bolts required for the wishbones, does anyone know where they are available?


ePER lists 3 different length bolts for the bottom arms:

M10x30 - P/N: 60689020

M10x59 - P/N: 46760598

M10x81 - P/N: 60655492

All are available from alfaworkshop.co.uk or maybe from Alfa themselves if you have a local dealer. I picked up a brake compensator spring from Alpha & Yapps down here in Cardiff for less than a tenner vs £20+ from ebay for a Fiat Coupe one.
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Yeah, it is a bit of a faff to get everything lined up. A few thoughts:

1) Have you got both front wheels off the ground? You donít want to be fighting the ARB as well as everything else...

2) Last time I replaced a lower arm, I used a tapered rod to line up the holes in the subframe with the captive nuts in the arm, then used a clamp to hold the arm in position... as I recall, you are fighting against the torque in the rubber bushes whose natural resting position is with the arms pointing slightly upwards.

3) Do you still have the strut attached to the hub? Given you have replaced the struts, Iíd remove them, then fit the arm to the subframe, then fit the hub and ARB droplink to the arm, then re-fit the strut.

Apologies if youíve already tried that...

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Thanks both!! Mich appreciated.

Yes both wheels are off. The strut out is my nuclear option I suppose. I know the Italian bolsover godfather will be able to do it as he can literally do anything, just frustrated that something so seemingly easy (ganz how to, and videos of other cars) is causing me so much hassle. He will laugh at me when I tell him I cant do it.
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post 23rd July 2019 17:39
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Progress photos....

Put a new thermostat , new radiator, the oil was flushed, and has been sitting empty for weeks, so just about to turn her over again with fresh oil/filter and flush out the cooling system. New battery as well.

Waiting on new bolts before I crack on again with wishbone, this time I'm go bolt it in first, then try to lever down enough to get the joint into the hub.
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Brilliant - love the Moretti beer!

And you managed to work out the 10,000 separate connections to the thermostat housing, too?
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