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sanitary
post 24th December 2016 12:33
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Does anyone have a photo of said relays especially the front ones as mine seem to have been either changed or put back in the wrong order
eg. pointing to the front of the car with a hole cut in the cover



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post 24th December 2016 16:15
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If you've got a phase 2, see the following post...

http://forum.alfa145.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=113461


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post 24th December 2016 18:27
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QUOTE(GialloEvo94 @ 24th December 2016 16:15) *
If you've got a phase 2, see the following post...

http://forum.alfa145.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=113461



Phase 1



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post 24th December 2016 18:33
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QUOTE(sanitary @ 24th December 2016 18:27) *
Phase 1
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I'll try and get some pics to show what I mean



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post 24th December 2016 20:18
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QUOTE(sanitary @ 24th December 2016 18:27) *
Phase 1

OK.

I know I have seen some posts on here with pictures of the phase 1 relays but trying to find those will likely be a needle in a haystack job unless the poster was sensible enough to put some relevant text with them. I don't however recall anyone describing which relay is for what.


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post 24th December 2016 22:33
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http://www.alfa145.com/upload/Alfa145Manua...0M2.10.3%20.PDF

The above is the Motronic 10.3 manual. I use this for troubleshooting my PH1

Page 18 shows the relay positions - Unfortunately ive just binned my notes from rewiring said relay bases but i'm sure I used the wiring diagram to identify a wire colour to identify each relay.

I think the relays themselves are the same, changing them from posn to posn wouldnt do anything.....

having rewired the relays and making a new bracket and a good job of it, youd think i would label them up wouldnt you? did I hell!

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post 26th December 2016 14:21
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I had better say a little more

it is a 1996 2.0 16v twinspark cloverleaf 145, phase 1 as far as I know

originally registered in Italy and was used by a English family as a run-around until they sold up and moved back to the UK
they liked it so much they brought it back with them and registered it with UK plates in 2004
it was on the road for the next 10 years but because eventually it wasn't getting used
so it was passed to the chap who had been looking after it since arriving in the uk, my friend Mike Roberts (who is an Alfa specialist, or was before he retired)
he parked it up in front of his place and there it sat... until I bought it off him this year for much cheapness....

I am working through all the little problems with the aim of getting it on the road for next year

One of the these was the relays on the battery tray, the ones on the side facing the engine are ok
but the set facing the front are bizarre. The cover has had a hole cut in it to accommodate either extra added relays or the configuration is wrong

I'll sort some pics soon to try and explain what I mean


Thanks for the info so far



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post 27th December 2016 17:35
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I own a 1.6 TS (M.Y. '97), LHD
mine has 3 relays in front of battery:
1 - 50A black plastic cover that sits on a black plastic holder, and should be the 2nd speed engine cooling fan relay;
1 - 20A grey plastic cover that sits on a greys plastic holder, not sure what it is for, maybe just 1st speed engine cooling fan;
1 - 30A silver cover sitting in a white plastic holder, that is the fuel pump relay.

next to battery there are 1 fuse and 2 relays both sitting on white plastic holders:

fuse is 15A and appears it supplies the bosch motronic injection system components, as the afm, phase variator, evap control valve...
1 - 30A silver cover relay, next to the fuse, and that must be the main relay, as the engine wont start without it;
1 - 30A silver cover relay, next to the last relay, and it just actuates the phase variator.

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post 28th December 2016 10:18
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the cover has a hole in it...




the relays:








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post 28th December 2016 10:53
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Someone made a hole in that cover.
The rest is just a mess. you should clean and/or restore all contacts.

I'm confused about 145/146 series. I suppose:

1st series have boxer engines + 2.0 TS.
2nd series all have metal cover TS engines (97' onwards)
3rd series are face-lifted and have plastic top TS engines.

so, mine would be a 2nd series and GE's a 3rd series.

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I think it is impossible to mix relays, but would help if you tell us the engine and make year or your alfa.
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post 28th December 2016 13:25
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Looking at the bottom photo
The two relays to the left [the ones which face the engine] are as per the Motronic 10.3 pdf that I indicated which you say are okay..
The other ones are also as per the pdf but with two more relay bases added. The two grey coloured ones next to each other are original [probably] the white one on its own with a blank base next to it are added [probably]

As we think that theres two added, Only you can tell what they're for!

Rewiring these relays is something most PH1 owners have done, search the forum for BBoB issues

The PDF that I highlighted has the info you need

Is it RHD purchesd in the UK? I dont think this makes any difference to the relays...Perhaps one of the original relays/base/wiring was replaced by adding one at the front without removing the original?


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post 28th December 2016 15:50
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Hi there

Have a look at my post

http://forum.alfa145.com/index.php?showtop...=ganz&st=20


Mine is a ph1 car. Hope this helps

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post 29th December 2016 10:48
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QUOTE(alfizta @ 28th December 2016 11:02) *
I think it is impossible to mix relays, but would help if you tell us the engine and make year or your alfa.



See my earlier post wink.gif




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See my earlier post wink.gif
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Well, it's taken a while but at least I know what some of the relays are for...



and are part of this....




It appears that it has had a real bodge for the A/C both on the wiring and on the piping as it resembles nothing in the workshop manuals or Eper
and being an early model the parts aren't available so it has to go (maybe one day I could re-build it...)

I still have to identify the fuses although the 30amp is probably part of the aircon as well
so just got to find what the 7.5amp fuses are


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Wow-

that's a bit of a 'strumash', as they say round here...

Have you, er, lost any other functionality, since removing that wiring from the car..??
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took the fuses and wiring out now. I realized that they were power supplies for something probably the aircon as they were connected to the positive terminal...




looks a bit more normal biggrin.gif



yet to connect a battery up as I'm about to do the belts so no idea if anythings not working but as I can't find any reference to the 7.5amp fuses in the workshop manuals it is probably part of the aircon lash-up...



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See my earlier post wink.gif
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Agreed. You'll find most of the relays are the same.


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