IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Seats: Lowering The Drivers Seat, Put an end to that apelike misery
claude
post 19th February 2008 20:57
Post #1 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 147
Joined: 2nd January 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: London
Member No.: 1,249
Driving: Alfa 145 QV Squadra chip K&N
From: South Woodford



Hi heres my guide on how to lower ther drivers seat. As you all know the ape like high up seat is one of the more annoying, not to mention uncomfortable things about our beloved 145 (and not forgetting those 146's!!). It might just be the cloverleafs with the height adjustable seats, but on the lowest setting my head touches the roof, the gearstick is too low and my knees touch the dashboard. No I'm not horribly disfigured either before you ask. Anyways when I changed my seats for leather recently I decided to bin the pointless (unless you are a dwarf, or italian) and heavy height adjustment frame under the drivers seat, to lower the seat by 2 inches or so. Heres how to do it!

First remove seat from car. Put it on the highest setting and remove 4 allen bolts. Slide seat forwards for the back two and vice versa. Now take seat indoors and if you are married, note exasperated expression on wifes face. Then turn seat upside down and unbolt 4 torx bolts for sliders. I think there was one small allen bolt on the top of one too so watch out for this. Remove runners.

Attached File  remove_seat_runners.jpg ( 350.75k ) Number of downloads: 977


The cause of the high seat is the contraption shown below. This is what I binned.

Alas whoever designed the seats decided to put the bolts the wrong side of the seat base, so you have to remove the base material and foam FIRST. Don't worry its not as much of a pain as it sounds!

First remove all the plastic trim around the seat, and the reclining wheel etc...

Attached File  cause_of_the_ape_like_driving_stance.jpg ( 463.83k ) Number of downloads: 850


I used the back of a spoon for this (see piccie!). Don't let the wife / girlfriend see this bit. You need to pry all around where the material or leather tucks into the base and lever it out. Theres a flap of very bendy metal behind it which needs to be peeled out slightly. When you have done all way round squash the seat foam and pull out the tucked in bit. Once you have done this all the way round, check that the thin bit of foam around the edge is also peeled out of the way. Then carefully pull off the seat base biggrin.gif

Attached File  pry_off_seat_base_1.jpg ( 155.51k ) Number of downloads: 646


This is what it looks like once you have removed the seat cushion. The four bolts which hold the height adjusting contraption can be seen, Undo them..... and marvel at how the frame still doesn't come off rant.gif

Thats cos there are 2 rivets as well - one each side. Thanks Mr Alfa! no3.gif

Attached File  seat_with_foam_removed.jpg ( 388.81k ) Number of downloads: 786


...tap out the middle of each rivet something pointy and a hammer...

Attached File  tap_out_rivet.jpg ( 193.79k ) Number of downloads: 561


... then drill out the remaining bits. Its alloy so quite soft luckily rolleyes.gif

Attached File  drilling_out_rivets.jpg ( 226.47k ) Number of downloads: 566


Now remove the behemoth height adjusting frame and bin it, BUT FIRST REMOVE THE SEAT BELT BUCKLE. Here comes the clever bit... the seat runners you took off a while back fit in the same bolt holes as the behemoth. I suspect that some of the basic models did without it from the factory, bu anyways, the runners bolt straight on. I bolted mine into the car at this point, minus cushion, and slid the seat to and fro to check it all lined up. Then tighten the 4 bolts to gorilla torque - you don't want these puppies coming undone again. Now put the seat cushion back on as you took it off (seat should be indoors again for this).

You have to bolt the seat belt buckle back to the seat now - there is a hole (almost) perfectly situated as per the photo. This is where my photos get a bit skectchy. You need a new bolt of just the right length to bolt the buckle to the seat. I used the stud and 2 bolts from the sump "gaurd" which should also be binned, its just the right length. You will need to pack with washers and make sure to use threadlock!!

Then the plastic trim needs hacksawing slightly to fit back around the new buckle position...see piccie

Attached File  Seat_belt_positionh.jpg ( 111.14k ) Number of downloads: 652
Attached File  seat_belt_finished.jpg ( 392.65k ) Number of downloads: 765


.. then bolt seat back in to car and enjoy new found levels of comfort! coolio.gif
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
GialloEvo94
post 20th February 2008 00:13
Post #2 | Print


Forum Administrator
*******

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,490
Joined: 11th June 2005
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: South Oxfordshire, UK
Member No.: 954
Driving: Alfa 145 QV, Lancia Delta Integrale Evo, SEAT Leon Mk2 FR+ TDI DSG
From: South Oxfordshire, UK



Fantastic write up & photos thumbsup.gif

Individual posts merged into one and thread now moved to the "How To" Guides section smile.gif


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Slamby
post 20th February 2008 08:36
Post #3 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 331
Joined: 21st December 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 2,098
Driving: 1997 Alfa 145 QV
From: North Wales



Great post, with clear instructions and good photos. Thanks very much for taking the time to write it up.

Not sure I'll be doing it just yet, as I just about fit OK in mine, despite having a sunroof, but at least we now have a solution for the taller people.
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
claude
post 22nd February 2008 10:59
Post #4 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 147
Joined: 2nd January 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: London
Member No.: 1,249
Driving: Alfa 145 QV Squadra chip K&N
From: South Woodford



wink.gif Its been bugging me for ages, not just the headroom situation but banging my knees on the dash. With the lower seat my knees sit under the dash for a change. I think the Alfa ergonomics team must all drive old minis, or have simian ancestry, or both! Claude.

Attached File  Monkey_driving_car.jpg ( 46.4k ) Number of downloads: 294
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Slamby
post 22nd February 2008 13:06
Post #5 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 331
Joined: 21st December 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 2,098
Driving: 1997 Alfa 145 QV
From: North Wales



Claude, do you know what size the torx bolts are? Not sure I've got any torx sockets, so would ideally like to know which one to buy.
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
claude
post 22nd February 2008 15:12
Post #6 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 147
Joined: 2nd January 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: London
Member No.: 1,249
Driving: Alfa 145 QV Squadra chip K&N
From: South Woodford



Not sure... will check this evening though.
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
claude
post 22nd February 2008 19:40
Post #7 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 147
Joined: 2nd January 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: London
Member No.: 1,249
Driving: Alfa 145 QV Squadra chip K&N
From: South Woodford



The torx bit you need is a "T-40" - mine was the biggest torx bit in a screwdriver bit set I had luckily. Claude.
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
purple
post 22nd February 2008 21:13
Post #8 | Print


Forum Moderator
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 4,199
Joined: 9th December 2003
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
From: Sutton Coldfield
Member No.: 32
Driving: 145 QV 1996, Alfa 166 2.5 24v, Alfa 75 V6 2.5
From: Sutton Coldfield



thats a great How to

unfortunately for me mrs purple has it on its highest setting

one puzzle is my daughters Bravo has a height adjuster, a sunroof and I could wear a hat in it and still have headroom. Weird
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Slamby
post 22nd February 2008 21:31
Post #9 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 331
Joined: 21st December 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 2,098
Driving: 1997 Alfa 145 QV
From: North Wales



QUOTE(claude @ 22nd February 2008 19:40) *
The torx bit you need is a "T-40" - mine was the biggest torx bit in a screwdriver bit set I had luckily. Claude.


Thanks.
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Junior145
post 21st May 2008 22:46
Post #10 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 320
Joined: 2nd March 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 1,357
Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2
From: UK



absolutely brilliant claude, thanks for posting up the howto! I lowered the seat this weekend, the difference is incredible, i no longer feel like im sat on top of the car.... im only 5'10 but thought i`ll give it awhirl anyway, can really push it harder round the corners as you feel more connected with the car and what shes got to give. as you can probably tell im highly impressed biggrin.gif
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Hybrd
post 23rd May 2008 13:26
Post #11 | Print


Forum Moderator
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,209
Joined: 22nd February 2008
Local Time: 6th December 2020 01:26
From: under somekind of vehicle, normally an alfa
Member No.: 2,960
Driving: VW Passat, hopefully another 145 soon..........
From: Abingdon, Oxfordshire



how much lower did it end up? been thinking of doing this but i to am slight challaged height wise so thoght i'd struggle afterward, (like i did when i put bucket seats in a chinq)


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
AR 145
post 24th May 2008 20:54
Post #12 | Print


1.6 8v
***

Group: Regular
Posts: 532
Joined: 3rd September 2007
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 2,641
Driving: 147 GTA Q2
From: SAAARRRFFFF London



An excellent guide, I think ill ask the garage to do this for me when I get my car serviced (i an not at all handy with a spanner) whistle.gif

I've always thought if there was one thing i'd change about my car it would be the ridiculously high seat!
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Junior145
post 28th May 2008 21:52
Post #13 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 320
Joined: 2nd March 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 1,357
Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2
From: UK



QUOTE(bla3d00r @ 23rd May 2008 14:26) *
how much lower did it end up? been thinking of doing this but i to am slight challaged height wise so thoght i'd struggle afterward, (like i did when i put bucket seats in a chinq)


does lower it about 2 inch... however I now have real bad lower back pain & at 23 that aint a good sign whistle.gif have adjusted seat so hopefully it`ll cure it, really love the lower position and the positives that go with it, but when travelling 400+ miles most weeks i might have to compromise for comfort rolleyes.gif
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Hybrd
post 29th May 2008 19:52
Post #14 | Print


Forum Moderator
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,209
Joined: 22nd February 2008
Local Time: 6th December 2020 01:26
From: under somekind of vehicle, normally an alfa
Member No.: 2,960
Driving: VW Passat, hopefully another 145 soon..........
From: Abingdon, Oxfordshire



got a sha*ged back anyway and im only 20 so that aint a issue. 2 inchs aint to bad either worth a go when i get back off holiday.


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Junior145
post 29th May 2008 21:30
Post #15 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 320
Joined: 2nd March 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 1,357
Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2
From: UK



QUOTE(bla3d00r @ 29th May 2008 20:52) *
got a sha*ged back anyway and im only 20 so that aint a issue. 2 inchs aint to bad either worth a go when i get back off holiday.


in that case your sorted, get it done, almost guarantee you’ll be highly impressed wink.gif
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Hybrd
post 15th June 2008 19:00
Post #16 | Print


Forum Moderator
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,209
Joined: 22nd February 2008
Local Time: 6th December 2020 01:26
From: under somekind of vehicle, normally an alfa
Member No.: 2,960
Driving: VW Passat, hopefully another 145 soon..........
From: Abingdon, Oxfordshire



and i am, very impressed even though i've only driven it the 2 miles or so to the garage to have the steering rack replaced!


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Junior145
post 19th June 2008 21:33
Post #17 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 320
Joined: 2nd March 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 1,357
Driving: Alfa GT jtd Q2
From: UK



QUOTE(bla3d00r @ 15th June 2008 20:00) *
and i am, very impressed even though i've only driven it the 2 miles or so to the garage to have the steering rack replaced!


thumbsup.gif
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Slamby
post 20th June 2008 14:50
Post #18 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 331
Joined: 21st December 2006
Local Time: 6th December 2020 02:26
Member No.: 2,098
Driving: 1997 Alfa 145 QV
From: North Wales



Is there any safety/legal issue with moving the seat belt buckle thingy? Not saying there is, just wondering if there might be an issue there?
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
airmike
post 18th April 2009 18:09
Post #19 | Print


1.4 16v
**

Group: Regular
Posts: 316
Joined: 17th November 2008
Local Time: 6th December 2020 01:26
From: Slovenia
Member No.: 3,785
Driving: Alfa Romeo 145 boxer
From: Slovenia



Just did this on my car and im very pleased with it!

The only thing i did different was this:

Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post
Hybrd
post 18th April 2009 18:56
Post #20 | Print


Forum Moderator
*****

Group: Moderator
Posts: 3,209
Joined: 22nd February 2008
Local Time: 6th December 2020 01:26
From: under somekind of vehicle, normally an alfa
Member No.: 2,960
Driving: VW Passat, hopefully another 145 soon..........
From: Abingdon, Oxfordshire



nice touch


--------------------
Go to the top of the page
View Vehicles
+Quote Post

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 6 Dec 2020 01:26