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post 23rd December 2019 22:03
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Today, on my journey home after the relay debacle I popped in to see my bruv in law and there was a beautiful 147 GTA in grey/black. Yes, it was a bit rough but what a presence it had with those 18" Jetfin wheels. And as Clarkson said.. that interior, those seats all in black too. 2020, I'm getting one of these. They are just so beautiful.

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This was nice too.

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post 24th December 2019 02:31
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QUOTE(Ganz @ 23rd December 2019 22:03) *
Today, on my journey home after the relay debacle I popped in to see my bruv in law and there was a beautiful 147 GTA in grey/black. Yes, it was a bit rough but what a presence it had with those 18" Jetfin wheels. And as Clarkson said.. that interior, those seats all in black too. 2020, I'm getting one of these. They are just so beautiful.

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A monster of a car.

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This was nice too.


'Get-in!' Ganz!!

The 147 bug hasn't left you !!

Indeed- a monster of a car!

Separately- should we indeed do an automotive new-years' resolution thread? What would you like to do to your car this year??

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post 24th December 2019 10:44
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A beautiful machine, drove my mates a couple of times, my god!!!!!!!!
Not standard, 3.8 with a supercharger....................
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post 24th December 2019 12:23
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went to the launch of the GT at the local Alfa dealers many years
most people were more interested in the red 147 GTA than anything else
there was a bit of a queue to sit in it

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post 28th December 2019 22:30
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 24th December 2019 02:31) *
'Get-in!' Ganz!!

The 147 bug hasn't left you !!

Indeed- a monster of a car!

Separately- should we indeed do an automotive new-years' resolution thread? What would you like to do to your car this year??


I'm gonna try and put 400 away each month with a bit of a loan to secure one. The thing is it's always the one you see that you wanna buy. I've never been into black cars but this was a monster in the grey black.

Great idea about the automotive resolution thread. I'll start ☝️

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A beautiful machine, drove my mates a couple of times, my god!!!!!!!!
Not standard, 3.8 with a supercharger....................


Bloody hell. 3.8 and a supercharger w00t2.gif What a beast that must have been!

QUOTE(sanitary @ 24th December 2019 12:23) *
went to the launch of the GT at the local Alfa dealers many years
most people were more interested in the red 147 GTA than anything else
there was a bit of a queue to sit in it

very nice smile.gif

dealer not impressed haha
san


laugh.gif Not surprised actually. I had a passenger ride in both the 147 and GT Bussos. To be honest the 147 was brutal. Beats it on looks too in my opinion. Having said that I saw a Q4 GT at Brooklands firing up and it sounded and looked fantastic.


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post 29th December 2019 18:04
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One of the few cars I'd change my 146ti for.

My only issue is its a three door. I really need the extra two doors for family and things.

I did look at one in the Summer at Monza Sport though, but it was not great..
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post 29th December 2019 18:09
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come off it, Ganz-

I've got a better idea; source the ENGINE, and then make your own!!

You know it makes sense; it would cost less than a complete GTA, plus you could do all the engine work, before the thing goes into the donor car?! (a common-all-garden 147)

(I'll take the old engine off you!)

Funny we should be talking about the 147. I had (with the local Xmas-exodus) the rare opportunity to park 'against' one locally, which moves only once a year for the MOT. I thought the comparison shots would be interesting.
If this car ever comes up for sale; I'm buying it. Unless I buy Wayne's 146 first tongue.gif


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post 31st December 2019 09:46
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Those 146/147 pics are interesting - the 147 doesn't look any bigger.

On the 147 GTA - they do look good, but bear in mind that the V6 GT has the exact same 3.2 Busso motor as the 147/156 GTA (in fact, it's the same as the 147 GTA under the skin).

I'd argue the GT is a better bet as it's a little bigger and (to my eyes) nicer looking. They are also cheaper to buy than the GTAs at the moment...

I'm currently selling my 2.0 GT and will be looking for a V6 GT once I've fixed up my V6 GTV and moved that on.

On that subject: here is why the GTV is not running - bent inlet valves (this is the worst one - but 9 out of 12 are definitely knackered):

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post 31st December 2019 16:35
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(Yes, I've become quite interested in the re-working of the 146 'format' in the 147, and subsequently I suppose in the Giulietta)


Good crikey, Jeremy- did you strip that out yourself?? Are you rebuilding the heads?

I must say I'm amazed to see you could get so far, with the engine in situ!!

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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 31st December 2019 16:35) *
Good crikey, Jeremy- did you strip that out yourself?? Are you rebuilding the heads?
I must say I'm amazed to see you could get so far, with the engine in situ!!


Yes, all my own work - with a lot of help from the manuals, obviously...

I'm not going to rebuild the heads, as I've been offered a pair in good condition from a car that had done 72k before it was scrapped due to rust.

If they're OK, I'm hoping that a simple skim plus a pressure test to ensure all the valves are sealing OK will be enough to get the engine back together and running. This will work out cheaper than rebuilding the existing heads - plus, I'll end up with heads that have covered a lot less miles than the rest of the engine...

The rear head comes out quite easily - the only tricky part is getting to the exhaust manifold nuts, as they are tucked away at the back of the engine.

The front head won't come off with the engine in situ as it snags on the front slam panel - but removing one of the front engine mounts and dropping the engine on a jack provides just enough clearance to lift the head clear of its studs and out of the engine bay.

I'm learning lots, needless to say!!!

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Just a bit of fun after seeing the 147 against the 146.
Took a photo during a stop at the services a few years ago after collecting my "new" 145 from Kent. The G will be 9 this year whilst the 145 finally reaches it's 20th! I'll have to take a side shot picture of them like Dante's.
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nice one Vroom-

The Giulietta is yours too?

(Congratulations; on the 1st post of 2020, too!)

Jeremy;
How did the original GTV heads bend the valves? Do it lose a belt, in the past..?

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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 2nd January 2020 17:32) *
How did the original GTV heads bend the valves? Do it lose a belt, in the past..?


That's the 64 million dollar question...

The car had been laid up for 5 years. The guy I bought it from was a trader and the car had belonged to a supplier of his. He said his mechanic had changed the cambelt but did not state why.

He turned the engine over to show me it wasn't seized before I bought it but it didn't start - so I knew I was buying a non-runner. When I got it home I tried pressing the fuel pump cutout switch just on the off-chance - and sure enough, it fired - albeit making a horrible clattering noise. I switched off immediately. On checking the valve timing, it was quite badly out and there was zero compression on all but one cylinder. There were also paint marks on the cambelt cover and one of the cam sprockets which suggested the timing had been done by eye rather than using the correct cam lock tools.

So I suspect some of the damage has been self-inflicted during that initial startup - but with a botched cambelt change as the trigger. And of course it's possible that the belt change was required because it had failed; in which case, some of the valves may already have been damaged and not repaired. But why replace the belt without investigating? And had the engine even been run afterwards? It's all a bit weird, to be honest.

Suffice to say: the lesson learned is: check the valve timing before attempting to start a Busso that you haven't seen running...

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Crikey, what a saga!

A hard lesson learned then!

Is there any sign of damage on the piston crowns?

Makes you wonder as to the competence of the mechanic who 'had a go'...
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 3rd January 2020 12:53) *
Is there any sign of damage on the piston crowns?

Yes, the piston crowns are marked where they've hit the valves.

However, the advice I've had is that big ends/crankshaft bearings are not likely to heave been damaged (unlike with the twinspark engine).

So repairing/replacing the heads and refitting should be OK.

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QUOTE(JeremyG @ 4th January 2020 15:58) *
Yes, the piston crowns are marked where they've hit the valves.

However, the advice I've had is that big ends/crankshaft bearings are not likely to heave been damaged (unlike with the twinspark engine).

So repairing/replacing the heads and refitting should be OK.



So the twinspark bearings aren't as strong, in this situation?
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 5th January 2020 12:21) *
So the twinspark bearings aren't as strong, in this situation?


Apparently not!

The advice on the TS engine is to replace big end bearings if the belt goes and the pistons hit the valves.
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QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 29th December 2019 18:09) *
come off it, Ganz-

I've got a better idea; source the ENGINE, and then make your own!!

You know it makes sense; it would cost less than a complete GTA, plus you could do all the engine work, before the thing goes into the donor car?! (a common-all-garden 147)

(I'll take the old engine off you!)

Funny we should be talking about the 147. I had (with the local Xmas-exodus) the rare opportunity to park 'against' one locally, which moves only once a year for the MOT. I thought the comparison shots would be interesting.
If this car ever comes up for sale; I'm buying it. Unless I buy Wayne's 146 first tongue.gif


True. Only thing is my second 147 had to go. Landlord doing up the garages. They've raised the roof so cannot wait to get back in there. So down to one car now. There are some fantastic looking 147s on instagram. Most are turbo charged. I'd love a 75 with a Busso too. Cars I'd like: Lancia Delta because that really makes you a crazy mentalItalian car nut that likes to dl with all the so called electrical problems which I suspect are no worse than German car of the era. 147gta, 75 v6, 105, 156 GTA, 156 bbtc, GTV6, 146ti, Alfasud, Berra( yes i know they are heavy), Mas GT which are really cheap at the moment: 400bhp for 5000!! 4C, Giulia QV.. ok this is getting silly now. Ferrari 348, 355, Jag, the fast one, cuz it's British, Stratos.. OK... I'm stopping now.


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good to read!

I think we're all already crazy mental Ifalian car nuts, to be owning this gear, in 2020!!

What 'Mas GT' do you mean Ganz? For 5k?

The 3200 GT?


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QUOTE(VROOM @ 2nd January 2020 16:27) *
Just a bit of fun after seeing the 147 against the 146.
Took a photo during a stop at the services a few years ago after collecting my "new" 145 from Kent. The G will be 9 this year whilst the 145 finally reaches it's 20th! I'll have to take a side shot picture of them like Dante's.
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Amazing how cool the 145 looks even after two decades.


QUOTE(dante giacosa @ 12th January 2020 01:18) *
good to read!

I think we're all already crazy mental Ifalian car nuts, to be owning this gear, in 2020!!

What 'Mas GT' do you mean Ganz? For 5k?

The 3200 GT?


Saw one in eBay the other night a few weeks ago. Couldn't believe you could get a that car. I'd had a couple of pints though.


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